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VGCW Momentum Rankings; Fire is Super Effective against Steel Edition
Topic Started: Feb 19 2015, 07:24 PM (36,781 Views)
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moogledrink
Mar 21 2015, 10:58 PM
threeOCT
Mar 21 2015, 06:07 PM
I feel like I'd want to see this ranking system with weighting for multi-man matches, but the math potentially gets weird. I don't know if I like how anyone that isn't the first out gets the same point value. Overall, the momentum system is pretty good, however.
I felt weird giving -3 to Dante and +1 to Travis despite them going out at pretty much the same time during EG. Guile also got -3 with Bowser getting +1 despite going out within 10 seconds of each other. But people do generally remember who win elimination matches and who gets knocked out first. I felt a point is a good way of saying "Hey, you're a loser! But not THE loser! Noone is gonna remember you finished 4th that one time in a fatal 6 way so have a point and your momentum reset and start up again, bro!"

If I did weighted rankings in multi-mans it'd go like; 4 mans you'd be looking at 3, 1, -1 and -3 for totals. 6 ways would be something like 3, 2, 1, -1, -2 and -3 for totals. Then its gets blurry if the match is one fall since everyone not involved in the pin finishes 2nd place! Even more blurry if someone who got a +2 in a 6 man won thier next match. Do I give them a +3 because the +2 reset thier momentum, or a +4 since they are on the winners side of the points in the 6 way they had last week!

I think I'll stick to the simple version I made up. Getting all these 2's and -1's involved is a bit complicated and weird like you said. I do want people to look at the table and think 'Yeah, that's where I'd place him in account of recent results too.' as well as looking at thier recent form and going 'Why's he still so high up after losing? Oh yeah, he won 3 in a row prior so maybe it was just a bad week."

Fatal Four Ways and 6 Ways are actually quite a rare occurance in VGCW too so I can't say I'd want to use a weighted system just for the people who don't win but don't come last in them.
I don't disagree with you. I'm mostly thinking of ways to get it more precise. I wouldn't even say weighting it would do that. You're probably correct that multi-mans are *that* recurring to make it a big deal.

As it stands, the way you have it is probably as good as it'll get. It's pretty fucking good, mind you, so please don't take that as a backhanded compliment.
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Updated the momentum table. A lot of tonights matches were focused on the top card so here's a quick summary of whats gone down

- GARY MOTHERFUCKING OAK!!!

- Dante has a truckload of momentum and showcased he can hang in a multiman to make up for his disasterous showing at EG. Same momentum as the champ, Scorpion. Has to be a dead cert for the BTC challenges next week.

- Zangief level is officially pushed. He could make a run for either title soon. Coincidently he is a place below Mac with many chanting for Gief to be the boxers final match before he signs his Legends contract.

- Although he came last in tonights multi-man it could be a hidden blessing for Bison. Tucked in just underneath casual contender Arino, Bison is another who could make a run for either title.

- Octomania is running wild! But a challenge for the main title may be out of reach. This is his first win in 5 matches and his previous losses weigh him down. Airman squashed him last time and Octodad gets his win back to knock him out of the Top 5. A rubber match incoming?

- The smartest man in the company is Ganondorf. He sits in the Top 5 by suntanning in Gerudo Valley and watching Ebisu, DK and Airman fall below him.

- GARY MOTHERFUCKING OAK!!!
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Order! Order in the court!
Appropriately, Bowser's momentum isn't squashed at all after losing a close one to a great wrestler.
And Gary is pushed to the moon at the same time, nearing 6-0 for M-M-M-MAXIMUM MOMENTUM.

This system works well!
Edited by TheWorst, Mar 24 2015, 10:06 PM.
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Mar 24 2015, 10:05 PM
Appropriately, Bowser's momentum isn't squashed at all after losing a close one to a great wrestler.
And Gary is pushed to the moon at the same time, nearing 6-0 for M-M-M-MAXIMUM MOMENTUM.

This system works well!
If Gary gets 6 wins in a row he will be rewarded with GOLD PLATED FONT! ARIAL BOLD GOLD PLATED FONT! I hope everyone is as excited as I am at this prospect.
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If only this system had been in place during Phoenix's incredible win streak.
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Mar 26 2015, 07:10 AM
If only this system had been in place during Phoenix's incredible win streak.
Or Airman's
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It's that time again, let's see how you favourite characters are doing momentum wise!

- Gary doesn't get his gold plated font for winning 6 in a row, what a shame. Still, he is joint top with Nappa with Nappa himself being 1 win away from the gold plated font prize! And yes, MITB Cash-In's do count towards win / loss...

- Dante's win keeps him firmly in joint 3rd with Scorpion. Scorpion vs Dante for the title is next week and picking a winner for this one could be difficult.

- Haggar rose and Barret fell just because of gains/losses elsewhere. Barret just killed Gary's win streak and he should be full of confidence for his title shot if Scorpion gets past Dante next week.

- Also joint 3rd are our new Casual Champion, Arino and the Suplex City himself, Zangief. Both have 4 wins in a row and Zangief will be looking for a main title push the way he has decimated challengers thanks to his #PushGief movement. Arino can focus on challengers to his new belt with his head held oh so humbly high. What a turnaround from Season 8 for these pair.

- Snake had a hard life...again. #WayToFall.mp3

- Fittingly Mac ends his full time career at 0 points, giving old foe Zangief a huge push in the process. The new legend will be removed next week so don't feel so down about his rankings loss, he's just putting people over after all. Thank You Youngblood.

- Red is incredibly lucky that Handicaps dont count. He would have fallen a massive 17 places to 40th otherwise. He needs a win bad.

- Kefka on the flip side is unlucky that Handicaps don't count. He would have rose a massive 19 places to 8th!
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This weeks list edited on the first page. Decided just to add everyone instead of waiting for them to have 6 matches.

Ness and Mac have been removed from the list.
Layton, Travis, Toad, Edgeworth, Armstrong and Zubaz have all been added to the rankings.

- Wario would rise off of bottom no matter what his next result will be. Zubaz would be bottom which is hilariously fitting and canon for Mr. Star Road.

- A solid win for Newcomer Travis that sits him on 0. Good performances in multimans by not losing first also keep him fairly healthy. Travis is very much a wildcard at the moment so I expect him to fluctuate between upper-mid and basement for a while.

- Snake actually dropped 14 places last week. He has now gone straight back up to where he was 2 lists ago. Snake is riding on his 5th and 6th match wins so he should normalise to around mid-table the next time he fights.

- Nappa 1st. Dante up to 2nd from 4th. Scorpion 3rd. These 3 are THE major players at Challenge Tower next week and the ranking reflect that.

- Waluigi actually got a net game of 8 momentum points, -20 to - 12, he only falls a place due to the addition of the newcomers. Moved himself away from the dreaded 6 loss streak.

- Heavy also only fell due to the addition of newcomers. No net change from his win though he'll need at least 2 more on the spin to gain any notable momentum.
Edited by moogledrink, Apr 21 2015, 09:32 PM.
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Pretty much the only way Nappa can be guaranteed to hold his top spot is if either Dante loses his match, wins but then loses his first title defense...

Or Nappa cashes in.
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Apr 21 2015, 09:04 PM

- Nappa 1st. Dante up to 2nd from 4th. Scorpion 3rd. These 3 are THE major players at Challenge Tower next week and the ranking reflect that.

Not to mention Dante will probably move into 3rd in the Power Rankings, what I'm saying is THE SYSTEM WORKS!
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Zubaz, where did it all go so wrong?
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What a night at Challenge Tower! Lets take a look at the momentum of our beloved cast!

- Nappa not only wins the title but he becomes the first person to get 6 wins in a row on my list. Gold around his waist, gold studded font. Every night is Nappa night!

- Gary and Red hilariously have the exact same score and exact same W/L Ratio. Gary VS Red rematch could be on the cards soon if Red is looking for his revenge after his 2 v 1 beating.

- Snake gave it his all but these types of table don't give favours for miraculous performances. But if you are going to fall then what a way to fall... ;_;7

- Barret not only fell like a stone he also gained an unwanted title. Barret becomes the anti-triple crown winner. Failing to win the casual, tag and now VGCW title. Got a bit further to go indeed.

- Groose is a spacist and he definitly fell from space this week. Plumetted all the way down to Earth. His recent results are okay so he won't suffer for too long. Poor Potato.

- Even though he didn't wrestler Zangief still looks strong. Aside from Dante all the Challenge Tower challengers fell hard. He may find a gap to squeeze in to a title shot.
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Fun rumble is fun. Let's see who's got the important momentum to drive them forward to future goals!

- Kefka has done an Arino. From losing a lot and having next to no momentum to going on a hot streak and taking the casual championship. Arino is safe from a drop due to how good he has been in his previous 4 matches.

- Flint looks like he went up a lot but he only gained a single point in his casual match loss. The '0' area of the momentum tree is very congested with 7 wrestlers inside it looking to make gains or losses the next time they fight.

- Wario recognised that he is no longer last alphabetically in the league and left the bottom spot to Zubaz, who is last both alphabetically and momentum wise.

- Being Jensen is suffering and he takes a massive drop in rankings, the biggest so far since I started this list. He's not been on form at all since Gabe stomped him and only his decent multiman performances save him from bottoming out completely.

- Bowser also fell a lot and is looking more and more mortal every time he fights. This is not a bad thing since beating the King is still a great achievement and him putting over the new gen can only have people see him in a positive light. Never count the King out for too long though as you are very liable for a beating.

- Zubaz being dead last is so canon.
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NOPE.
Jensen fell 22 spots.

Oh man.

goldberg!!!
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Order! Order in the court!
Why did Flint move up when he earned a loss?
IGNORE ME
Edited by TheWorst, May 6 2015, 11:10 AM.
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