| VGCW Season 10 Character Evaluations | |
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| Topic Started: Jun 25 2015, 07:16 PM (11,479 Views) | |
| goon | Jun 27 2015, 01:29 AM Post #16 |
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I think Wily is fine as is. Obviously he has a great tag presence but even in singles matches, he does what lowcarders need to be able to do: Entertain while they lose. Wily has an exciting moveset and his matches become more entertaining if you're rooting for him and you're trying to see how long he can go/how much damage he can inflict before being hit with a big move by his opponent. Liken it to how Scorpion had to avoid Guile's deadly Amerislam in their title match, Wily has to avoid any big moves while constantly doing flippy shit. Whenever he does kick out of a sig/finisher it'll be a big moment and kick the match into another level (unless he gets laid out a second later). If most underdogs get by on the fact that they never give up, Wily gets by as long as he can before his body gives up on him, which makes his high risk Lucha moveset even more ridiculous, he's essentially injuring himself and making it easier for his opponent. Wily's stamina plays into his character and adds an extra element into his matches that is pretty unique, and that I'd be sad to see go if any tweaks to him are made. Birds of Prey on the other hand are clearly in the danger zone but I think they're definitely worth saving/being given a chance in the new season. Something I was hoping to see in Season X was a Birds/Mavericks feud, based on their tag win over them, Ezio's singles win over Airman and Falcon's history with Protoman. Tag matches are some of the most fun in any VGCW show, and I think it's a pity to have most tag matches just be precursors to a tag team title shot. Bullies/Dragons and Bullies/TJ&E showed that tag feuds are fun, so that could be a step towards the Birds getting back in the groove Also kudos Plastic, this is a really well written & researched topic |
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| MaxOfFewTrades | Jun 27 2015, 01:31 AM Post #17 |
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As much as I wish Wily could be VGCW champion, it's true that he has his place in the league and he does it very well. He's at the very bottom of the power rankings and remains insanely over regardless, you ether need to be massively talented, or Waluigi to do that. |
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| Mister Stewart | Jun 27 2015, 03:12 AM Post #18 |
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I like to imagine that the universe itself doesn't know what to do with Waluigi so it just sort of allows whatever to happen. |
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| GirthIgnorer | Jun 27 2015, 12:43 PM Post #19 |
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Posts like this is such utter nonsense. The majority of teams haven't won the tag title. Tag matches, even more than singles matches, are random as shit and all it takes is a bit of luck and a contender's match. |
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| PlasticAutomaton | Jun 27 2015, 09:50 PM Post #20 |
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Continuing the bottom of the card, in which it still sucks to be almost everyone here. 45: Adam Jensen 44: Professor Layton 43: Knuckles the Echidna 42: Zangief 41: Dr. Eggman A lot of people in need of some focus here. |
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| Prozach | Jun 27 2015, 10:18 PM Post #21 |
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Eggman's my personal pick for the MVP of Season X. Both of the Sonic and Knuckles matches were MOTY contenders, and the comeback against Ezio was a fantastic singles match as well. It was basically the exact dichotomy of Zangief's resurgence. One was given all the attention in the world and made into being over; the other just went out there, did his thing, and established his near-permanent status on the roster by ring-work alone. |
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| Fireball Spam | Jun 27 2015, 10:56 PM Post #22 |
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Considering that kids in the Pokemon universe regularly no-sell the ultimate Rock Bottom, Red's resilience is surprisingly accurate. Man, for all the hype Jensen's gotten in plot the dude had a really rough Season. Hopefully he can finally make it on his own now that he's free to wrestle full-time. Professor Layton has stumbled too, but that's mainly because he thought he could outright take on Bowser. If Layton uses a more pragmatic approach and starts another great puzzle he should bounce right back. Zangief is rather hard to evaluate considering his losses in the second half of the Season, but overall I think he's on the rise thanks to the push angle. He's gotten people to care about him again and made a role for himself. |
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| pyrrhickong | Jun 27 2015, 11:03 PM Post #23 |
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Man I didn't realize how rough Knuckles had it power-wise. Pretty amazing that he took down the current champ at his low position, even with the wonky match type. We have a really weird low card, and Gief and Zubaz prove this pretty distinctly. Do hope that Jensen gets a rebound, though. He's a guy who really deserves it and I want to see succeed again. An actual feud with him would be nice considering he's been connected to Gabe by the waist since Season 4. |
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| PlasticAutomaton | Jun 28 2015, 12:39 AM Post #24 |
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I'm just going to say it now so I don't let it slip into all of my reviews. Fuck the Zangief push. There are a lot of people who desperately needed time this season and never got it, while Gief got an entire season dedicated to rehabbing him. I mean don't get me wrong, Heel Gief is actually pretty entertaining, and Bazza did an excellent job writing him, but his match quality sucks to high heaven, and uggggh. In my next two updates, (10 wrestlers) guess how many of them got three matches or less? Spoiler: click to toggle
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| goon | Jun 28 2015, 12:47 AM Post #25 |
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So work gets put in so Zangief revitalises his career and becomes one of the only effective heels on the VGCW roster, then you expel him for a season and do away with all the work to build him up? All this will lead to is people being as indifferent to Zangief as they were before his 'push' I agree that him getting booked in so many shows was a little ridiculous, but it was kind of necessary to achieve what Bazza was trying to achieve; make Gief interesting again. He couldn't be the heel people hated if he didn't get on their nerves, and truthfully if he had only shown up a couple of times last season the effect wouldn't have been as good. Gief's pretty established now so I think it's fine if he isn't booked as often, but he should still pop up to maintain his role on the roster. Guile barely being booked for a while killed interest in him (and Sonice to a lesser extent) so we shouldn't do the same to Gief. He's doing some pretty good work putting over new talent EDIT: I'm sure you were exaggerating the 'go away' but my point is my point Edited by goon, Jun 28 2015, 12:48 AM.
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| Prozach | Jun 28 2015, 01:28 AM Post #26 |
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That's a reeeeeally dangerous way to create a heel if that's true. Overbooking someone to the point where fans reject and get sick of them is textbook X-Pac Heat. Not even in the misused definition of "guy so hated that I want him gone", but fans rebelling against the actual booking of the character itself. It also makes Zangief's push completely non-special, too, since you can feasibly apply those same tactics to any heel character you want and get the same results. Want heel Haggar to get boos? Book him in 10/12 shows. Wanna turn Goemon heel and have the fans buy into it? Suddenly overwhelm everyone with Ganbare plot. The problem with this is that then you create an oversaturation of a character at the expense of a whole bunch of other guys on the roster, and therefore make the show worse. I don't think Zangief's heel turn was entirely built upon this, otherwise it would have flopped way harder and it wouldn't have been nearly as warmly received as it is. Bazza's writing for Gief was well done and was a major, if not the most important, factor. But at the same time, I do think intentional overbooking played a role, and wasn't all that necessary or essential in getting the guy over. It would have worked just as well if you had taken away the mini-Zubaz feud, the Gerudo Skies one-off and the Little Mac fight, and right there that reduces the Gief appearances by 3. |
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| Justin_Brett | Jun 28 2015, 01:51 AM Post #27 |
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Well you kinda need the Little Mac fight since that was where people really turned against him as a Face. If he'd beaten anyone else, or Mac at some other time, it would have been fine, but it was absolutely crushing Mac on his retirement night that made people angry. |
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| goon | Jun 28 2015, 03:13 AM Post #28 |
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The Gerudo Skies reunion also kind of worked and kind of didn't. I guess it's what you're talking about in 'overbooking to annoy', where it could've been a moment for the audience to think 'Oh good, tag tournament, we won't be seeing Gief tonight.' Surprise, he's here. It was kind of undercut by the fact that people were happy to see Gerudo Skies back, as well as it being Ganon's first appearance since End Game, but it was overbooking done in a funny way, if that was Bazza's intention His matches against Sonic and Zubaz were him being booked against people that he almost certainly was going to beat, so that #PushGief would become a thing, then Little Mac (which Justin explained), then the tag tournament, then his good match with Toad, then his second match with Zubaz, then the End Game 3v3. In retrospect, the tag tournament appearance (which was kind of there to spice up the tag standings a little) and the Zubaz match (which set up the End Game match somewhat) seem to be the only unnecessary appearances As you said, overbooking can lead to fuck off heat but in this case it worked, mainly because as you said, Bazza's writing was well done. Sure it led to some characters missing screentime, but that can be said about any season/storyline where certain characters are given time to shine over others. Granted, Gief got more than most, but in the end it served its purpose and he doesn't have to be booked as much anymore to get the point across, so it's not really an issue anymore |
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| PlasticAutomaton | Jun 28 2015, 08:40 PM Post #29 |
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End of the lower card here, with some really scarce booking and some straightforward explanations. 40: Illidan Stormrage 39: Zubaz 38: Wario 37: Kefka Palazzo 36: Segata Sanshiro I really don't have much to say about these guys, they're all fairly self-explanatory. Next time, we start the midcard, where things get interesting. Edited by PlasticAutomaton, Jun 28 2015, 08:41 PM.
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| Justin_Brett | Jun 28 2015, 11:04 PM Post #30 |
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I'm really glad Wario got a win after all the build-up to a non-Waluigi opponent. Him losing to a perpetual sad sack could easily have sunk him. |
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