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VGCW Suggestions and Feedback; Ideas welcome!
Topic Started: Jul 29 2015, 03:07 PM (57,538 Views)
MacScrewedMac
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Flamander
Feb 24 2016, 04:58 PM
This is a distinct possibility. An idea I've had is having a portrait for every character and using prerecording magic to make plot scenes (Maybe using CAW creator?). Seems simplistic, but it might work as a last resort.

If 2k just refuses to add a damn CAS then I'd probably just go with this. While all of the iconic scenes like "wrestler exits through the door and is ambushed" and "Wrestler interrupts promo by walking like a diva to the ring" are a vital part of VGCW, I'd settle for just a portrait and text box, maybe some sprites if you want to get really into it if it means finally upgrading from this horrendous game (That admittedly can still pump out some classics). And as long as the dialogue is good enough it shouldn't really even matter that much.

A new game would definitely be the easiest way to drum up interest and viewership, but then there's the problems of having to make some cuts due to some CAW's that can't be recreated. Then again, we can always take a page out of the '13 era and just have some comically bad ones
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FreewayKnight
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I do miss the days when I could say there were literally thousands (all two of them) watching VGCW. And yeah, there are a lot of things outside of our control that we can do to keep viewership and interest in the show up. But I think something that would be interesting to do is to make smaller promotional videos. Career retrospectives of some big names, or some miniseries that condense entire seasons into a few hours, highlighting specific matches. Something to allow people jumping in the ability to get comfortable with what to expect.
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BRomega2900
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I just want to throw in my two cents on the matter:

I just think we need to figure out a way to keep the show fresh. While a reboot of VGCW Comms might be a good idea, it would just end up the EDBW voice acting concept. It's good on paper, but will probably end up awful in execution.

I think JNT hit the nail on the head with his post. The game is pretty boring now that we've done everything the game has to offer, which I think is a contribution to the decline in viewership.
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FreewayKnight
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GWA-HA-HAR!
Above all else, an awful truth hangs over us. If 2K17 doesn't give us what we need, then I think we might have to call it quits.
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slashkamei
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Learning to make a good caw since 2k13
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Feb 24 2016, 04:58 PM
And I think some people is really afraid to say what they honestly don't like about the shows in public.

This is the major issue for me personally, because I want to say ALOT about these shows and not all of them are GOOD, problem is, I don't want to get banned again for something stupid I said like "I'm going to trade this game in now" which is exactly what got me banned in the first place, and when I do normally bring something up that I really don't like, I get mauled for it by people who very much like said thing. Its got so bad that I don't post nearly as much as I used too mostly because I don't know if what I say will offend someone to the point I get another warning or just straight banned for it.

And as for this game getting old, no shit, its been going for a good close to three years now and ofcourse this game will get old because we have no other choice in the matter. Either we find someway to make the PC version of 2k16 work, or pray to 2k that we get everything we need in 2k17, which I don't think will happen unless we strongly voice what we need for this show to move on.

Even if we do move to 2k17, we have the issue of not every CAW maker has a ps4 for one reason or another, I mean look at all the caw makers that have someone on the show already, I don't know how many have a ps4 or are willing to even get one.
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Prozach
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slashkamei
Feb 24 2016, 06:08 PM
JNT
Feb 24 2016, 04:58 PM
And I think some people is really afraid to say what they honestly don't like about the shows in public.

This is the major issue for me personally, because I want to say ALOT about these shows and not all of them are GOOD, problem is, I don't want to get banned again for something stupid I said like "I'm going to trade this game in now" which is exactly what got me banned in the first place, and when I do normally bring something up that I really don't like, I get mauled for it by people who very much like said thing. Its got so bad that I don't post nearly as much as I used too mostly because I don't know if what I say will offend someone to the point I get another warning or just straight banned for it.
Well I won't speak about the mod decisions, but if you say something unpopular, having to defend your stance comes with the territory of that. I mean that's just the way things are, especially in a medium like this where fan reaction is the lifeblood that keeps these shows churning.

However, I do think that there can be a brigading issue at times on certain topics, but I don't think this is the time or the place to go too deep into that discussion.
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Nap1400
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I really don't think the viewership decline has to do with the actual quality of the show. Like people said, it might be burnout from using 2k14 for 2, coming on 3 years, it might be that it's gone for so long that people are intimidated at the idea of catching up to everything, it might just be that people decided it was time to leave after Bazza was done. I do like the idea of trying to get some kind of advertisement done, but I'm not sure what can be done now that wasn't already done in past years.

What I can say with almost certainty is that even if VGCW as we know it goes kaput because of what 2k is doing with the series, the concept is never going to go away completely. If it does end, people will cool down on the idea, and then someone somewhere way way way down the line is going to take that concept into a new game, regardless if it has story mode cutscenes or the CAW quality we have in 2k14 or what have you, for better or for worse. And at that point, the idea will be fresh again that people will come around and watch to see what all the fuss is about. It happened during the transfer from Antraxo to Bazza, and I believe it will happen again.
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Cleveland Rock
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The show is too long, the matches are too slow, and there aren't enough Royal Rumbles. I could go into detail about complaints I have, but I'm really just a cynic who will never be happy with anything. Regardless, speeding up the matches would improve the show a lot in my opinion. I think the show would also benefit from a certain someone being catapulted into a volcano, but the less I say about that, the better*.

On the positive side of things, you're doing an amazing job and I really wish I could get all my friends interested in the show.

*Edit: This falls into the category of what people have been talking about regarding being afraid to voice criticism publicly.
Edited by Cleveland Rock, Feb 24 2016, 06:18 PM.
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slashkamei
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I do agree, we need more rumbles.

Though at the end of the day, this is a stale piece of shit game we are dealing with, but its our stale piece of shit game and I for one still enjoy it...even if I can't watch the shows live...shut up...
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McJohnson88

I can add a couple of things, concur with a couple of others:
-While I do agree that Bazza's departure and the fact that we've had to stick with 2K14 for a 3rd year in a row have had impacts on viewer numbers, I personally think the channel change is what affected viewership the most. It doesn't matter much how many reminders are thrown out there about something like that, some people for one reason or another will either not catch them, they'll forget about them, they'll misunderstand them, or they simply won't care enough to bother. I know from experience...

-At the same time though, yeah, we've been stuck with 2K14 for 3 years now. That probably hasn't helped too much, and there's really not much we can do about it, the way it's set up now. On that note my biggest worry about VGCW's future isn't with how many viewers it has, but more "what if WWE 2K17 doesn't bring back create-a-story mode?"

-Only other thing I can think of is that... well, maybe the roster's not as good as it could be? I personally don't have a huge problem with anyone currently on the roster, aside from a couple "who the Hell is that?" instances, and there's not many people I'd rather see return, but I think things like "Salt Road" might speak for themselves. :P

-Maybe some people don't like the stories or the writing, but that's where it starts getting really subjective I think; heck, even the roster thing is too. And I personally thought the last season with the GameShark was the best one so far anyways :D

-I do think we could stand to have a bit more grassroots, viral advertising, to get the word out there that "This (still) exists you guys! You should check it out!" And like DesuBlade basically said, less "watch this thing it's the best thing ever and you're an idiot if you don't" and more "hey this exists and it's pretty cool, you should try it".

(And on a personal note, since it seems vaguely relevant: I myself stopped watching for 9 months last year, for much the same reason Bazza left: a new job got in the way of watching live. Maybe some of the viewers we've lost are like I was: sometimes life just gets in the way too much.)
Edited by McJohnson88, Feb 24 2016, 06:52 PM.
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Jayarrpee
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I think the reasons for the drop in viewership have been explained, but I don't believe it's anything to do with the quality of the show.

Forgive me from deviating from the main thread of the conversation, but I'd like to throw in my own little bit of feedback here. Somewhat incoherently, but 'ERE WE GO

The amount of effort that's been put into Seasons 11 and 12 has been staggering - from everyone involved. All the Gamesharked CAWs and effects (ba dum tsh), all the new arenas for the World Tour, and everything else that makes the show has clearly taken a lot of work - even more so since the server shutdown. And it's even more admirable considering that the only payment TOH and the lads get for this is trout donations.

There was talk of burnout and fatigue, and to be honest I don't feel that at all. Well. Maybe tiredness when the show goes on beyond 2am GMT, but it's not as though I'm bored of the show at all. It might just be since I haven't been in the chat for as long as most people, so it's all a little new to me still. As for 2K14 itself, I think there's life in the old wres yet, but if 2K17 does have the creation suite needed then an upgrade would breathe new life into the show.

I don't know what I can do to help attendance either in the chat or in the forums. Other than having a few followers from the community on Twitter, I haven't meshed into any of the private chats or anything else. I've tried spreading the word on Twitter, but maybe I've been too subtle? Not subtle enough? I don't have enough friends for what I say to reach anyone? I dunno!

That's enough blathering from me. I've got nothing but admiration for everything that goes into the show. TOH and chums, keep up the good work!
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I don't have that much to say myself. The main thing for me is that the community is very insular. There's a lot of inside jokes that I don't get, and I've been here for around a year now. Maybe getting the word out and shaking things up a bit will make things feel less stagnant.

Other than that, the shows themselves are amazing. I have no idea how you all do it, but all of them get better week after week.
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I hope this show doesn't take the pre-recorded route like WVGCW and I think EDBW has, it sucks some of the magic out of it and puts match results into question. It's like comparing an E3 conference to a Nintendo Direct, might as well watch it on youtube since there aren't any "you had to be there" moments. No #2Kuality# , no glory.

Aside from that I'm rather burned out on our current bad guys, Break Man/Airman in particular is getting the same issue Phoenix/Snake had earlier in the show as they tend to show up way too much during plot sequences. Like really, Breakman showing up in the last endgame plot to basically take everything up until that point and be like "well, that's my power now. :proto: " really diminished any hype I had going into the finale.

But yeah my opinions aside, WWE 2k14 is starting to get stale and I think the viewerbase is reflecting that.
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Cleveland Rock
Feb 24 2016, 06:17 PM
The show is too long, the matches are too slow, and there aren't enough Royal Rumbles. I could go into detail about complaints I have, but I'm really just a cynic who will never be happy with anything. Regardless, speeding up the matches would improve the show a lot in my opinion. I think the show would also benefit from a certain someone being catapulted into a volcano, but the less I say about that, the better*.

On the positive side of things, you're doing an amazing job and I really wish I could get all my friends interested in the show.

*Edit: This falls into the category of what people have been talking about regarding being afraid to voice criticism publicly.
IDK, I think that if there were more Rumbles it would dilute the specialness of a Rumble. Plus, with the servers down it decreases the availability to have 1 off "Special" Rumble appearances that help Rumbles be more exciting. I don't think having more rumbles would help the show that much, because what happens when you run out of reasons for rumbles?

I do think the matches is something that maybe should be played with more. It seems like most matches that are pinfall based have to go through multiple finishers before it's close to being over. Then again, there's not much you can do there as the 2K system in terms of the match types, but maybe there's some setting that is possible to play around with some to try and make contests that are in-between needing 2 finishers to finish the match and squash matches.

Really, though, I feel like getting the word out more and trying to be a more open bunch of people, especially in chat, could be really beneficial. As I said in a post last time, it's probably intimidating for new people to see all these inside jokes and capitalization in chat, so maybe we need to re-evaluate how to try and make the VGCW community more open to new people.


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Jayarrpee
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The nature of chat itself is kind of a double edged sword. On the one hand, the sheer hype in the chat and the piss-taking of the announcers were part of what drew me to the recordings. On the other hand, it did take me a long time to get the gist of the in-jokes. Hence why I didn't feel ready to join chat until after about a year of lurking via the selfsame recordings.

Not to pile more work on the wiki team, but maybe a page dedicated to explaining some of the injokes might help? Just an idea.
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