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Peptobislawl
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In the midst of all the talk about the match itself, I wanted to saw i am very disappointed in how John Dudebro and Cran reacted to the fans in chat. Both of them were rude to the viewers after the bison ending and as a showrunner and a nWTOH representative respectively it was upseating to see them making snide comments about the reactions in chat.
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AaronTheBaron
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TOH
Mar 1 2016, 10:10 PM
I knew the timing with this thread was going to be awkward. I did it so I could get perspective before this went down. Because if I did it after, it was potentially all going to be about Blood Money's ending.
Very true. Though now the ending provides an easy scapegoat for people to say "this is why viewership is down".
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Peptobislawl
Mar 1 2016, 10:12 PM
In the midst of all the talk about the match itself, I wanted to saw i am very disappointed in how John Dudebro and Cran reacted to the fans in chat. Both of them were rude to the viewers after the bison ending and as a showrunner and a nWTOH representative respectively it was upseating to see them making snide comments about the reactions in chat.
I'm going to back up Pepto here. Mods being a dick to viewers absolutely will not solve the viewership crisis.
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Kirbydamasta
Mar 1 2016, 10:14 PM
Peptobislawl
Mar 1 2016, 10:12 PM
In the midst of all the talk about the match itself, I wanted to saw i am very disappointed in how John Dudebro and Cran reacted to the fans in chat. Both of them were rude to the viewers after the bison ending and as a showrunner and a nWTOH representative respectively it was upseating to see them making snide comments about the reactions in chat.
I'm going to back up Pepto here. Mods being a dick to viewers absolutely will not solve the viewership crisis.
Or issues with creative, for that matter.
Edited by JCW555, Mar 1 2016, 10:16 PM.
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Peptobislawl
Mar 1 2016, 10:12 PM
In the midst of all the talk about the match itself, I wanted to saw i am very disappointed in how John Dudebro and Cran reacted to the fans in chat. Both of them were rude to the viewers after the bison ending and as a showrunner and a nWTOH representative respectively it was upseating to see them making snide comments about the reactions in chat.
I've been a little scared to comment on this in risk of being banned, but yes, this was probably the biggest problem I had with tonight. Not even the ending. The reaction.
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Kirbydamasta

JCW555
Mar 1 2016, 10:15 PM
Kirbydamasta
Mar 1 2016, 10:14 PM
Peptobislawl
Mar 1 2016, 10:12 PM
In the midst of all the talk about the match itself, I wanted to saw i am very disappointed in how John Dudebro and Cran reacted to the fans in chat. Both of them were rude to the viewers after the bison ending and as a showrunner and a nWTOH representative respectively it was upseating to see them making snide comments about the reactions in chat.
I'm going to back up Pepto here. Mods being a dick to viewers absolutely will not solve the viewership crisis.
Or issues with creative, for that matter.
Creative is a different matter, since people can be divided on that. But elitism and dismissing criticism in a snide way will bring no good.
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doomknight66
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Rude_Semprini
Mar 1 2016, 10:01 PM
And honestly, I'm seeing a lot of people saying "This sort of thing is why people aren't watching" but if that was really the case, why wasn't that being said a whole bunch more BEFORE this happened?
People watch for a variety of reasons, anyone claiming people only watch for one thing is wrong.

I enjoy some good ole story written by lolrng, but I prefer an actually well done plot leading to a lot of good character development.
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Peptobislawl
Mar 1 2016, 10:12 PM
In the midst of all the talk about the match itself, I wanted to saw i am very disappointed in how John Dudebro and Cran reacted to the fans in chat. Both of them were rude to the viewers after the bison ending and as a showrunner and a nWTOH representative respectively it was upseating to see them making snide comments about the reactions in chat.
Absolutely. Awful PR.
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Peptobislawl
Mar 1 2016, 10:12 PM
In the midst of all the talk about the match itself, I wanted to saw i am very disappointed in how John Dudebro and Cran reacted to the fans in chat. Both of them were rude to the viewers after the bison ending and as a showrunner and a nWTOH representative respectively it was upseating to see them making snide comments about the reactions in chat.
I wasn't trying to be disrespectful, I just thought it was really funny to see VGCW pull a big controversial finish after my history with them.

If anything, I was being snide about the reactions I got over Morrigan/Sophitia a while back and I think it's been long enough that we can all laugh about that together.
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Prozach
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NOPE.
Yeah an hour later, I do want to apologize for jumping straight to "this is why viewership is in the pits". I'm still really REALLY miffed about the whole thing, but using that as the catchall reasoning really doesn't work when VGCW has avoided that for so long. That's my bad for jumping to a conclusion, and I'll own up to it.
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southsing
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When the Nanomachines harden just right
As someone who is a huge fan of VGCW, I don't really feel that upset about this whole situation. Sure, it was complete blue balls, but I got over it.

What I'm worried about is what someone new to VGCW would think having seen that main event. I'm guessing that if this is their first episode of VGCW, that main event probably didn't make the best impression. It might even have scared away potential fans from seeing VGCW ever again, and that thought is very concerning.
Edited by southsing, Mar 1 2016, 10:23 PM.
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AaronTheBaron
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Prozach
Mar 1 2016, 10:18 PM
Yeah an hour later, I do want to apologize for jumping straight to "this is why viewership is in the pits". I'm still really REALLY miffed about the whole thing, but using that as the catchall reasoning really doesn't work when VGCW has avoided that for so long. That's my bad for jumping to a conclusion, and I'll own up to it.
It's fine dude. It's an ending that is controversial and many do have a legitimate reason to be upset about it.

I can understand why people are really upset with this, but I also hope people can see the other side of why it can create some excitement.

Maybe in the end it'll turn out to be an overall bad thing, and maybe in the end it'll turn out great. But it's a journey that's much better to look back on afterwards when all is said and done.
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MaxOfFewTrades

To the guy who thinks Red, Illidan, Billy, Jimmy, and Dan are all dead.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Yeah okay, kill off some of the best workers in the company for no reason whatsoever. Nobody is that bad of a writer. Specially not the creative on this show.

Anyway, I'm not upset about the ending because it was interrupted. I just really don't care about Bison at all, and all of these attempts to make me care about such a lack luster performer is just grating. He's a lower mid-carder who needs plot to be able to accomplish anything.

I'm not thinking, "oh jee I wonder what Bison is going to do next?!" when I see him. I think "Oh its him again..." Bison is the villain of the story because he was written to be, not because he earned it. The guy who brought up Mr. L was on to something, he was a great heel because he beat people constantly and was a bad guy. Bison was a beloved face in the crowd and was always rooting for him. But because he's a villain in Street Fighter we just kinda have to throw away all that in ring character he's developed over the years.

Why not build up a heel the normal wrestling way, its not like we don't have good candidates for that?

But whatever, I still love the show and will keep watching it for as long as it remains on the air, and I even like the story's the are built up over time, for example, the king Vegeta vs Gary angle? That's great! and it was created solely due to things that happens in the ring, and honestly the whole season could just be about that feud.

The Bison plot all together just seems unnecessary when we already had plenty of things to focus on.
Edited by MaxOfFewTrades, Mar 1 2016, 10:23 PM.
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Peptobislawl
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I have no shame
John Dudebro
Mar 1 2016, 10:17 PM
Peptobislawl
Mar 1 2016, 10:12 PM
In the midst of all the talk about the match itself, I wanted to saw i am very disappointed in how John Dudebro and Cran reacted to the fans in chat. Both of them were rude to the viewers after the bison ending and as a showrunner and a nWTOH representative respectively it was upseating to see them making snide comments about the reactions in chat.
I wasn't trying to be disrespectful, I just thought it was really funny to see VGCW pull a big controversial finish after my history with them.

If anything, I was being snide about the reactions I got over Morrigan/Sophitia a while back and I think it's been long enough that we can all laugh about that together.
Well regardless of intent, that's how it came off. I know how hard it is in a position of power but you do have to be very careful about what you say. I just thought it important to get out how people felt.
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slashkamei
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I know that the ending of the title match was a touchy subject after what happened on EDBW and people don't like their main title matches being rigged like this. I would be one of them, however, I'm willing to give TOH a chance on this because he has done a VERY good job with plot and making us invested in this title match. Hell when I was in call just about EVERYONE wanted Barret to win, granted I was not one of those people but I digress, it made everyone invested in the main event and to have Bison ruin that main event was a GOLDEN move since it sets him solid as a number 1 heel, now EVERYONE is going to boo this guy and this is EXACTLY what needed to be done. Does it ruin a great match? Yes it does, but does it add more to the overall story? Yes it very much does, it will make people come back to see why Bison did what he did and his reasoning behind this.
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