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| Weldar | Mar 8 2016, 09:36 PM Post #376 |
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Well Drac did kick out of something like a minute or so before Bison cut the feed so they might just have been talking about that, its hard to say for sure. |
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| MacScrewedMac | Mar 8 2016, 09:39 PM Post #377 |
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Guile did nothing wrong
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The whole Dragon Ball thing was admittedly underwhelming tho |
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| DongyKonga | Mar 8 2016, 09:41 PM Post #378 |
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Sounds Like A Bodacious Time
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In his promo, Bison said something along the lines of "The reputation of a Champion tarnished by a flawed finish". That also implies he's still champ. |
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| Introbulus | Mar 8 2016, 09:55 PM Post #379 |
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Pretty good swerve...didn't see it panning out this way but...it definitely works. Can't wait to see what happens next week, and what Bison still has up his sleeve. |
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| Introbulus | Mar 8 2016, 09:56 PM Post #380 |
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You take that back Dragon Brawl was awesome. ((It had its flaws but I feel like it was a very legit angle and served as a good cooldown after Wrestlevania)) |
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| Fireball Spam | Mar 9 2016, 12:11 AM Post #381 |
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Regarding Bison's promo, I think he was a bit redundant at times and could have drawn on Psycho Power in a different way by outright insulting more people (call the MITB competitors pathetic save for Ganon, diss Salvation Ops for being outdone by a child, say Achieve or Leave for a mere title was thinking much too small, etc.) Also, I just want to say that I believe that Seifer does indeed have a plan, but until we see it unveiled it's very amusing to poke fun at him. |
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| Soundwave | Mar 9 2016, 03:35 AM Post #382 |
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I feel like there was no winner. Double DQ. |
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| Potatosaurusrex | Mar 9 2016, 12:02 PM Post #383 |
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We just had that looong discussion off the forums about not being afraid to post on the forums so I feel more comfortable in saying that that Bison promo had a very large flaw. For a week we (as the audience) were told on a loop "Don't worry, trust us!" and as we neared this episode I was really excited, as the next episode was touted as "This is going to explain everything that happened!" and even if it was never explicitly stated, it was very much implied. The tagline for the Announcement thread was "You want answers.", the Twitter feed tweeted out "You want answers to Blood Money? You'll want to tune in!" during the pre-show, and prior to that, "Just 3.5 hours until you get those answers you've been waiting for.". I think most of us went into this episode under the assumption that we were going to find out what happened at Blood Money! That did not happen in my eyes. We were given vague hints throughout the night regarding the result of the title match and the tag match's conclusion and aftermath, and then the big Bison promo hit. Did we find out who was still champion? We saw Ganondorf, Dracula, and Barret throughout the course of the final hour, and none of them appeared with the belt around their waist. You'd think Bison would have something to say on the matter, but he'd rather spend ten and a half minutes rubbing his nipples in the ring in a promo that in my eyes amounted to "haha I am ruining the show get worked you marks haha it was just a social experiment tbh smh at all the salt lol". Additionally, because we don't know who won or lost, we don't know if Barret's even employed or not. He showed up last night to flatten Bison for a few brief moments before booking a match I guess. This entire episode was built up to have the answers and I was told for a week "trust us" and "wait until next show" but sometimes I feel that trust is waning due to things like that. I love this show and I very much want to stick it out to the end, but that promo really, really left a bad taste in my mouth. I feel betrayed. And one more thing on that topic, there is a line that needs to be drawn in the sand, in my opinion, regarding where "making a better heel" ends and "making a worse show" begins. Some of the heel things he's done, particularly the two DQ finishes and the long winded promo, have (to put it bluntly) decreased the overall quality of the show. Honestly, the first DQ I was fine with, the second one has tarnished one of the best angles I've seen around a title in years, and I already expressed my thoughts on last night's promo. Sure, these things establish Bison as a heel, but they're actively making people dislike the shows, not just him. If Bison just threw the PS3 out of the window, ending VGCW prematurely and corrupting all of the data on it so we can never have VGCW again, would he get heel heat? Yeah, he probably would, but I assume that's not where we're going with this angle, thankfully. There are lots of things I am currently enjoying about this season, but the direction of the primary overarching storyline has me heavily concerned. Edited by Potatosaurusrex, Mar 9 2016, 12:08 PM.
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| Mad | Mar 9 2016, 01:25 PM Post #384 |
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Gerudan Badass
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I was super skeptical of the whole "just trust me" thing, but when Barret uppercut Bison...![]() In wrestling, seeing, a heel get his comeuppance should be satisfying, and god DAMN was it. Especially since Bison had been steamrolling the whole roster. Yeah you could argue Bisons heat was cheap as fuck, and I'm kinda bummed we didn't learn about the status of the title, but it feels like this story line is finally building up to something great. I love you, Toh Don't fuck up, now
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| Introbulus | Mar 9 2016, 01:36 PM Post #385 |
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Bison heat was pretty cheap, to the point where even the formation of GRAND DAD felt a little weak on top of it. It was exciting, but with how long Bison dragged on, it felt rushed and hectic by comparison. I'm just hoping that if we hold on to Barrett's shining gold thread of hope, it will lead us into a better metaphor for good plot resolutions. |
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| Rude_Semprini | Mar 9 2016, 01:43 PM Post #386 |
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I feel like I would be happier with the promo if I hadn't been told for a whole week that I was going to be getting some answers and things explained, because yeah, I really didn't feel like anything had been explained by the time the show was over. We know the match ended, but we don't know the result, we don't know if Barret is employed, we don't know what Bison's motives are beyond "work the marks" which seems like a way to avoid any criticism from where I'm standing. If the main villains entire motive is to make the audience upset, then any criticism about the plotline can just be handwaved as "Well, I guess it must be working." I'm enjoying everything about the show, but I agree with Potato that the direction that's being taken with Bison is starting to concern me. |
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| Prozach | Mar 9 2016, 01:55 PM Post #387 |
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NOPE.
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I don't really have anything interesting to add to Potato here, so I'll just echo the main point that I'm flatout losing faith in the product with how much expectations on a per-episode level are just not being met. There's another issue I want to talk about though, and it's something regarding the demographics of this show since viewership was a discussion not too long ago. There's over 500 people that watch this show regularly every week, a steep drop from where things used to be but still a pretty significant chunk of people. Some of them are diehards, like essentially every regular poster on here. A solid chunk of us will stick through everything. But an equally sizable chunk (and often rarely spoken of one on here) are the casual regular viewers, who are here watching every week just to get some wres in without getting super involved in the community and all that. And I feel as though these recent sweeping changes to the format are alienating this viewership, and are the viewers most at risk with this "wait and see" mentality that's been promoted so heavily as of late. I first found out about VGCW through the Something Awful forums. Don't remember what exactly it was or how I stumbled upon it, but I'm glad that I did. And the thing I noticed was that there were TONS of unique people excited about this stuff. Eventually I migrated over here and I saw some familiar faces in both spots, but some people just wanted to casually tune in every Tuesday and check out some wres, then move on to the rest of their week when the show was up. And it's perfectly within their right to do so. ...the Something Awful VGCW community is almost completely dead now. There's so many faces that used to tune in regularly over there that I just don't see anymore. Some just are burnt out on the format, some can't tune in anymore with the schedule change, and some just left without much of an explanation. But the people that are still leftover that haven't become regulars in the community are people that still have a voice, and the predominant thing they're saying is that they're tired of getting dragged along for the ride. (also I dunno if it's appropriate to drag people from other forums onto here to make a point so I'll make all these quotes anonymous. If it's still inappropriate I can delete them) Put in a spoiler to save space This isn't . This is "I'm not having fun watching the show right now", which is the EXACT OPPOSITE thing VGCW should be doing. And if you really are worried about viewership and growth and all that, then these comments really need to be taken to heart, because they are the most fungible (and equally as important) part of the viewing audience and the group most at risk with how much expectations have been getting toyed with.
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| JCW555 | Mar 9 2016, 02:30 PM Post #388 |
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The Archives Guy
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Those comments are interesting and telling to me. They want the wrestling to tell the story, and the plot with it should be the vehicle for that. Season 8: Metal Madness was criticised for having an over-arching plot that overshadowed the wrestling, and seasons 9, 10 (X), and 11 took major steps in rectifying that. The idea that having a(n over-arching) plot that happens to have wrestling in it is kinda waning, and it's interesting to see comments like that.
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| JNT | Mar 9 2016, 03:08 PM Post #389 |
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The boss of this gym
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I don't think I can put it as eloquently as Prozach and Potato, but I agree with those posts, and the ones brought from SA. It must be because I am more interested in the game determining where a story must go. I'm not that interested in the big plot that is going on. I'm more interested in the Doctor Wily title run or whatever Sonic Truffle does. What was done with Barret putting his career on the line was really smart, and for the first time in all these years I felt like I cared about the character (I never liked the guy and now I was interested in a match involving him). In my point of view there is no way to compensate losing that match ending. Edited by JNT, Mar 9 2016, 03:09 PM.
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| AaronTheBaron | Mar 9 2016, 03:08 PM Post #390 |
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Yo, it's me. It's me. It's A.T.B.
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While I am a person who does stick up for the story and is overall feeling it is being executed fairly well, I will say that one concern that people are raising that I do agree with somewhat is that this episode was built as "giving us the answers to Blood Money", we got some answers but a good amount of them were just glossed over/not answered. Yes there is the excuse provided saying that the power was cut and so there was no footage of the final part of the match, but I feel that could have been explored a bit more. It could have been said that "because we don't have the ending, it's ruled a No Contest." There were some subtle hints such as talking about the champion's reign tarnished, but that could mean many things, but we saw both Drac and Barret and we couldn't see either of them with the belt. One scene that said "the show ended in a no contest, so Barret isn't gone and Drac is still champ" or whatever is actually happening could have been useful, or even interwove that into the other Gary scenes or any other scene for that matter. So while I can understand Bison not explaining his whole plan (an evil mastermind has to keep some of his cards closer to the chest), I do think that there are some holes in how we didn't get an explanation of what happened at the end of BM when the show was said to be the answer to BM. |
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. This is "I'm not having fun watching the show right now", which is the EXACT OPPOSITE thing VGCW should be doing. And if you really are worried about viewership and growth and all that, then these comments really need to be taken to heart, because they are the most fungible (and equally as important) part of the viewing audience and the group most at risk with how much expectations have been getting toyed with.



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