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VGCW Suggestions and Feedback; Ideas welcome!
Topic Started: Jul 29 2015, 03:07 PM (57,523 Views)
GirthIgnorer
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Let me start off by saying that I've only mustered the effort to make this effortpost because I love VGCW so dearly and have so much respect for how well the current team has done, top to bottom. On top of that, you guys have been unprecedentedly cool about criticisms and taken them all in stride. With that in mind.

I waited the week. :salt:

I don't care if you're William Fucking Faulkner, ending multiple shows in a row with plot is going to be lackluster. The appeal of letting the game decide is twofold - not only does it give the audience that actual "anything could happen in the VGCW!" feel, it allows the plot to move forward in new and unanticipated ways.

I feel like with this season the creative team had a story they wanted to tell, so they went in with a mindset of "well, we'll let the matches play out as is, but we'll structure it in such a way that the result can still ultimately lead to the story we want to tell." Obviously I'm not a mindreader and this is pure speculation on my part. But frankly, it occurs to me because it seems so darn reasonable, to the point where I can't say I wouldn't do the same if put in that situation. Unfortunately, whether intentional or not, it's enforced that WWE feel that nothing really matters.

As others have pointed out, we were told to wait and trust the creative team to see how it plays out. To me, this meant like, we'd get some sort of payoff like immediately. I wasn't expecting Bison to be utterly undone or anything, but I at least expected to see the result of that match or, at worst, an immediate setup for a rematch. I guess you could say this was unfair of me to infer, but clearly I'm not the only one.

Instead, our grand main event was.... Vegeta vs. Air Man. One of two things from this result ploddingly moves the plot forward: Either Vegeta wins and further gets to rub that in Gary's face that he beat yet another challenger and is thus that more deserving of being the true leader of VGCW, or the opposite. Regardless, the end result is invariably the same: A confrontation between Gary(and/or et al.) vs. Vegeta (and/or et al.) for control of VGCW.

As to the payoff to the previous event, the one we were told to wait and see for, we get a promo where Bison tells us we're stupid over and over and over again, and how he's just such a goddamned puppetmaster. The wait for the denouement is AGONIZING - but at last, we get it, in the form of a Smackdown main event! ...nnnnext week! To what effect? Will Bison or one of his cohorts be neutralized if the face team wins? Will Barret Dracula II not happen if the heels win?

Looping this back to my original point. You guys are trying to get heel heat on a specific character in a rather unprecedented way, by putting forth that he's manipulating the outcome of the show. For the truest of diehards, they'll buy into the kayfabe and curse Bison. For others, they'll get mad at the showrunners, which is undoubtedly no fun for you guys. For the rest of us, we'll just kind of shrug and see how it pays off next week, I guess. There was this big hooplah about increasing viewership a few weeks ago, and I don't know how making it so you need to follow 2 months of storyline for a payoff makes that any easier.

Ultimately, I feel like the biggest selling point of this show is novelty. Video games! Wrestling! Together, with THE ROLL OF THE DICE! Wacky. It didn't catch on in the firstplace because WWE2k14 is such a fantastic medium for storytelling. Please lean into the former.

*Phew* alright. out of my system. thank you for hearing me out. *big gasp* ALSO the creative team should have an editor solely dedicated to the removing of words because that Bison promo.
Edited by GirthIgnorer, Mar 11 2016, 12:39 AM.
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GirthIgnorer
Mar 11 2016, 12:09 AM
*Phew* alright. out of my system. thank you for hearing me out. *big gasp* ALSO the creative team should have an editor solely dedicated to the removing of words because that Bison promo.



That's me. The only days I've had off work the last two weeks are Monday and Tuesday. It suuuuuucks
Edited by Cran Rightia, Mar 11 2016, 12:20 AM.
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Cran Rightia
Mar 11 2016, 12:20 AM
GirthIgnorer
Mar 11 2016, 12:09 AM
*Phew* alright. out of my system. thank you for hearing me out. *big gasp* ALSO the creative team should have an editor solely dedicated to the removing of words because that Bison promo.



That's me. The only days I've had off work the last two weeks are Monday and Tuesday. It suuuuuucks
Haha, I'm sure man. I edited my post about a million times, because I don't want to come off as overly harsh to anyone, least of all you guys who do such a thankless job. I really like this show and do trust you guys have something really sweet planned for the long term. Something that will make it worth it to us diehards who stuck it out. I'm just sayin', don't focus on us dweebs, we'll be here no matter what.
Edited by GirthIgnorer, Mar 11 2016, 12:25 AM.
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Cran Rightia
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Maaan, you don't have to explain yourself to anyone. We're just a bunch of dudes.

I fear at times we may give off the impression that we're "authority", but we're really not. Send me a tweet about cats or some shit.
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Girth, you nailed what I've wanted to say. It's Video Game Championship WRESTLING. The premise of this show was to watch two or more characters from different game companies/series/whatever fight it out in a wacky, glitchy game known as WWE '13 (now 2K14). When the show introduced plot (mid season 1) it gave matches a purpose, as well as just to have fun. When plot started to overshadow that (prime example being season 8, which Bazza admitted he hated booking), it defeats the premise of the show IMO, and that's why season 9 is rightfully lauded as a return to form for VGCW, and some consider it the best season of VGCW of all time. It returned to making the wrestling matter (Great Tournament II Turbo as an example). Make the wrestling MATTER again [let it tell the story], not a superfluous thing to the plot, which, like I said before, should be the vehicle for the wrestling.

Also, like Girth said, bring the fun, wacky parts of VGCW back more. I miss them.

I too, am a dweeb for this shit, and too damn passionate about it at times.

I think I'm just repeating myself at this point, and I'm gonna shush now.
Edited by JCW555, Mar 11 2016, 01:36 AM.
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Season 11 was the first season I watched live, obviously it was great.

I've been enjoying Season 12 a lot too. I get people's complaints about the Bison angle though. The wrestling is the most important aspect of this whole thing that elevates it above being a simple fanfic, so yes I feel like it should take priority and not be interrupted. You can do whatever angle you want with whatever characters you wish but ultimately its up to the game to decide the path you take, and when you mess with the game you make it feel ungenuine. Trust is very important.

Apart from plot (and I do love the plot its just a bit intrusive) getting a bit overbearing, I think the whole thing is fantastic. Roster is fantastic. You've got such a wide variety of great talents who can basically do anything. Not knowing who on the roster is going to be a main eventer, jobber, etc at any given time is one of the things that makes VGCW so exciting. You guys are great at picking contenders for titles and you have a really keen eye for detail.
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Don't let all of these criticisms get to you. Deep down, we all love VGCW, regardless of when and why we all jumped in, And who knows? Maybe you guys can pull something out of your hats to save the Shadaloo angle and make it something fantastic.
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Mar 11 2016, 03:00 PM
Don't let all of these criticisms get to you. Deep down, we all love VGCW,
Well, that is one reason why people go into lengthy posts about things :P


Eh, I'm enjoying the current plot, but I do agree it feels more.. artificial. That, and Bison didn't really do anything to earn this. I don't mind though. I like what TOH's currently doing, but I do agree Bison's speeches are somewhat lengthy and repetitive, as much as it suits his character.

Though, all this talk had me thinking. For a long while, seasons have had their "big bads" established early on(GameShark, Nightmare Gabe, Wily and Eggman, etc)
What if we have a season later without any pre-established overarching plot/bad guys and instead build one from the matches throughout the season? Though, I suppose that goes with the whole making story from wres argument. Maybe something fantastic will result from it. After all, that's how this whole show started.


Regardless of what TOH and the rest choose to do, I have faith in him and the creative crew. Season 11 was fantastic, possibly second to or even tying with Season 9 for my favorite, so I'm sure this season will end up great as well.
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Although, I am curious about doing a hands off VGCW season. No long term story arcs, no plans, just letting the chips fall where they may.
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Mar 11 2016, 03:00 PM
Don't let all of these criticisms get to you. Deep down, we all love VGCW, regardless of when and why we all jumped in, And who knows? Maybe you guys can pull something out of your hats to save the Shadaloo angle and make it something fantastic.
I wouldn't make those posts if I didn't love VGCW, for the record :D
Edited by JCW555, Mar 11 2016, 03:38 PM.
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BRYN
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Mar 11 2016, 03:23 PM
Although, I am curious about doing a hands off VGCW season. No long term story arcs, no plans, just letting the chips fall where they may.
It's called Universe Mode and it's awful. Still broken like the rest of the game, though.

In all seriousness, Season 1 was fun and all, but it was just Bazza playing WWE '13 for 6 hour sessions. You can get the newer games and do that on your own.
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Mar 11 2016, 06:36 PM
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Mar 11 2016, 03:23 PM
Although, I am curious about doing a hands off VGCW season. No long term story arcs, no plans, just letting the chips fall where they may.
It's called Universe Mode and it's awful. Still broken like the rest of the game, though.

In all seriousness, Season 1 was fun and all, but it was just Bazza playing WWE '13 for 6 hour sessions. You can get the newer games and do that on your own.
It's really a balancing act in the end. I don't think anyone would want season 1 again (as great and nostalgic as it was), but have the wrestling be the story along with the plot, and the plot be a vehicle for the wrestling.
Edited by JCW555, Mar 11 2016, 06:49 PM.
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While you can just watch the AI fight it out on it's own, I think the appeal of VGCW is being able to do it with hundreds of other people cheering and booing whoever is fighting. There's nothing else like watching this dumb game fail and/or occasionally pull off some amazing moments and scream about it in Twitch chat or whatever voice chat you may be in.
Edited by PunkBoy, Mar 11 2016, 06:50 PM.
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Mar 11 2016, 06:36 PM
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Although, I am curious about doing a hands off VGCW season. No long term story arcs, no plans, just letting the chips fall where they may.
It's called Universe Mode and it's awful. Still broken like the rest of the game, though.

In all seriousness, Season 1 was fun and all, but it was just Bazza playing WWE '13 for 6 hour sessions. You can get the newer games and do that on your own.
I've seen this type of response from someone else and I still don't agree with it at all.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with more people wanting the core basis of this medium rather than the storylines. Sometimes, seeing two Video Game characters wrestling with no stakes and music blaring while the chat is into the match is enough for them. I get why the storylines are there and a lot of people enjoy them, but everyone who is into VGCW got into it from the Matches(for the most part). Directing people to get the game just to play a mode and have them do it on their own time isn't the point nor is it a good way to really respond to people who want the basic stuff.
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Mar 11 2016, 08:15 PM
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Mar 11 2016, 06:36 PM
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Mar 11 2016, 03:23 PM
Although, I am curious about doing a hands off VGCW season. No long term story arcs, no plans, just letting the chips fall where they may.
It's called Universe Mode and it's awful. Still broken like the rest of the game, though.

In all seriousness, Season 1 was fun and all, but it was just Bazza playing WWE '13 for 6 hour sessions. You can get the newer games and do that on your own.
I've seen this type of response from someone else and I still don't agree with it at all.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with more people wanting the core basis of this medium rather than the storylines. Sometimes, seeing two Video Game characters wrestling with no stakes and music blaring while the chat is into the match is enough for them. I get why the storylines are there and a lot of people enjoy them, but everyone who is into VGCW got into it from the Matches(for the most part). Directing people to get the game just to play a mode and have them do it on their own time isn't the point nor is it a good way to really respond to people who want the basic stuff.
There's a bit of a balancing act to factor in there though. Yes two video game characters with nothing in common slugging it out is great and hilarious, but if that was all VGCW had, it'd get boring after just a few weeks/months and a lot of people would move on.

I'm not saying it's not great, it is just nice to have something to break that up a bit into enjoyable chunks.
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