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VGCW Suggestions and Feedback; Ideas welcome!
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Topic Started: Jul 29 2015, 03:07 PM (57,522 Views)
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JCW555
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Mar 11 2016, 08:34 PM
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- Introbulus
- Mar 11 2016, 08:23 PM
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- Mar 11 2016, 08:15 PM
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- Mar 11 2016, 06:36 PM
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I've seen this type of response from someone else and I still don't agree with it at all. There is absolutely nothing wrong with more people wanting the core basis of this medium rather than the storylines. Sometimes, seeing two Video Game characters wrestling with no stakes and music blaring while the chat is into the match is enough for them. I get why the storylines are there and a lot of people enjoy them, but everyone who is into VGCW got into it from the Matches(for the most part). Directing people to get the game just to play a mode and have them do it on their own time isn't the point nor is it a good way to really respond to people who want the basic stuff.
There's a bit of a balancing act to factor in there though. Yes two video game characters with nothing in common slugging it out is great and hilarious, but if that was all VGCW had, it'd get boring after just a few weeks/months and a lot of people would move on. I'm not saying it's not great, it is just nice to have something to break that up a bit into enjoyable chunks. All in all, the plot shouldn't overshadow the wrestling, and vice versa. There is a happy medium here. Just need to find it, and implement Girth's suggestions I think.
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Mar 11 2016, 08:36 PM
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The characters is a very important part of this medium, seeing all these crazy characters interact with each other is really fucking cool and something you really can't get anywhere else.
I don't think that means we necessarily need big season long story arcs, but I would not watch a plot less show at all ESPECIALLY this far into 2k14's lifetime.
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JCW555
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Mar 11 2016, 08:41 PM
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- doomknight66
- Mar 11 2016, 08:36 PM
The characters is a very important part of this medium, seeing all these crazy characters interact with each other is really fucking cool and something you really can't get anywhere else.
I don't think that means we necessarily need big season long story arcs, but I would not watch a plot less show at all ESPECIALLY this far into 2k14's lifetime. Agreed on that front doomknight. No one is suggesting getting rid of plot or the characters. We're just debating about the the wrestling telling the story sometimes. Some comments (such as the SA comments, and the past comments in this thread) are saying that the plot is overshadowing the wrestling. Live I've said and Introbulus said, there's a balancing act here.
There's also the possibility of me just being dumb, which can certainly be possible.
Edited by JCW555, Mar 11 2016, 08:54 PM.
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doomknight66
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Mar 11 2016, 08:45 PM
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Its difficult for the wrestling in this game to tell a story in comparison to the actual wrestling medium, especially with the random nature of the show it can be hard to really nail a characters personality even with plot time.
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Mar 11 2016, 10:38 PM
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NOPE.
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- doomknight66
- Mar 11 2016, 08:45 PM
Its difficult for the wrestling in this game to tell a story in comparison to the actual wrestling medium, especially with the random nature of the show it can be hard to really nail a characters personality even with plot time. It's weird to make this argument when over a year and a half of great EDBW episodes proved this false.
Like, I'm glad EDBW has plot now, but was the show a disaster before Dudebro was able to write plot for it? No, in fact it was just as great as VGCW and WVGCW in the same time frame.
I just don't get this argument that "oh AI vs AI with no plot is always boring and will never really work" when EDBW had a 3 season run where it worked and it worked pretty wonderfully. For all the unpredictable stuff like the Kratos reign and Curly/Kinzie, there was the birth of APM and the first Divas title tournament and Demo/Edgeworth. There is direct proof that just having things boiled down to their very essentials worked fantastically in this medium. It doesn't need to be an all or nothing thing where VGCW either needs to have plot be the focus or only have wrestling, but if the writing staff needs a break, an occasional stakes-free episode where there's just plain old wres will not hurt anything at all.
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Mar 11 2016, 10:51 PM
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A rose, by any other name...
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I mean, it comes down to preference, because you're making the assumption that he cared all that much about EDBW prior to it having plot.
Even for my money, my interest in the show has always been primarily in gauging the prospects of potential newcomers to WVGCW, as I have never and likely will never care all that much about EDBW's men's division. Which, isn't a knock on John or his roster, just personal preferences.
And like, I can totally understand why some people are more into the 'more random' aspect of the show, and that's fine, but it's important to realize that there ARE other people on the other side of that spectrum, and their opinions are not any more or less valid than yours.
I'm in agreement with the notion that a plotless show holds no interest to me on it's own merits, because I grew tired watching this game ages ago. Fortunately, no-one is seriously talking about full plotless, but the idea of more frequent plotless episodes fills me with the same sort of dread that I imagine the idea of more 5+ minute plots fills others with.
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JCW555
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Mar 11 2016, 10:54 PM
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Like I've said before, it's a balancing issue. I have full faith and full confidence that TOH, Cran, and Kryptick can balance these things (wrestling telling the story / plot telling the story) and randomness & wacky-ness / seriousness in VGCW.
Edited by JCW555, Mar 11 2016, 11:07 PM.
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Mar 12 2016, 12:24 AM
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- Mar 11 2016, 10:51 PM
I have never and likely will never care all that much about EDBW's men's division. Which, isn't a knock on John or his roster, just personal preferences.
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Mar 13 2016, 03:08 PM
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This is an interesting discussion to see because the primary reason why I stopped watching VGCW was because of the matches. The last season I watched in full was the robot masters one and by that time I had begun falling out of love with the concept because the stream wasn't entertaining to watch anymore. Matches started to feel increasingly long, predictable, and boring. It really started to hammer home the fact that I was watching a bad video game play itself for 2 hours a day, several days a week. The novelty of the concept itself had worn off and wasn't enough to keep me interested, especially because I thought the robot plot was extremely bad (I realize that Bazza's plot the following season was well regarded but my interest was already gone and I never resumed watching when he returned from his break). There wasn't anything pulling me in anymore.
When I heard Bazza was leaving I watched his final stream, and TOH's first stream, but it had just run its course for me and I stopped watching again. The later WWE games not being conducive to running the show, forcing the stream to stay on a long outdated game, was a massive blow.
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Mar 13 2016, 05:08 PM
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- DrAbysmal
- Mar 13 2016, 03:08 PM
This is an interesting discussion to see because the primary reason why I stopped watching VGCW was because of the matches. The last season I watched in full was the robot masters one and by that time I had begun falling out of love with the concept because the stream wasn't entertaining to watch anymore. Matches started to feel increasingly long, predictable, and boring. It really started to hammer home the fact that I was watching a bad video game play itself for 2 hours a day, several days a week. The novelty of the concept itself had worn off and wasn't enough to keep me interested, especially because I thought the robot plot was extremely bad (I realize that Bazza's plot the following season was well regarded but my interest was already gone and I never resumed watching when he returned from his break). There wasn't anything pulling me in anymore.
When I heard Bazza was leaving I watched his final stream, and TOH's first stream, but it had just run its course for me and I stopped watching again. The later WWE games not being conducive to running the show, forcing the stream to stay on a long outdated game, was a massive blow. Season 8 was...pretty bad. And a lot of that had to do with matches ending a certain way (Robot Masters always winning, someone always coming in to save Protoman, et cetera). I don't remember any of the specific matches that well, but what I do remember is that it got a lot more interesting when that was broken up a bit - and that was all done by plot, by turning Protman heel in reaction to the fan's reaction to what was going down, and by making the matches matter again.
I understand getting disillusioned by it, but honestly my biggest problem with the middle of Season 8 was that the plot and the matches just weren't connecting properly, and I think that was firmly resolved by the end of the season.
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JCW555
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Mar 13 2016, 05:11 PM
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- Introbulus
- Mar 13 2016, 05:08 PM
- DrAbysmal
- Mar 13 2016, 03:08 PM
This is an interesting discussion to see because the primary reason why I stopped watching VGCW was because of the matches. The last season I watched in full was the robot masters one and by that time I had begun falling out of love with the concept because the stream wasn't entertaining to watch anymore. Matches started to feel increasingly long, predictable, and boring. It really started to hammer home the fact that I was watching a bad video game play itself for 2 hours a day, several days a week. The novelty of the concept itself had worn off and wasn't enough to keep me interested, especially because I thought the robot plot was extremely bad (I realize that Bazza's plot the following season was well regarded but my interest was already gone and I never resumed watching when he returned from his break). There wasn't anything pulling me in anymore.
When I heard Bazza was leaving I watched his final stream, and TOH's first stream, but it had just run its course for me and I stopped watching again. The later WWE games not being conducive to running the show, forcing the stream to stay on a long outdated game, was a massive blow.
Season 8 was...pretty bad. And a lot of that had to do with matches ending a certain way (Robot Masters always winning, someone always coming in to save Protoman, et cetera). I don't remember any of the specific matches that well, but what I do remember is that it got a lot more interesting when that was broken up a bit - and that was all done by plot, by turning Protman heel in reaction to the fan's reaction to what was going down, and by making the matches matter again. I understand getting disillusioned by it, but honestly my biggest problem with the middle of Season 8 was that the plot and the matches just weren't connecting properly, and I think that was firmly resolved by the end of the season. YOU DON'T REMEMBER 10-10? HOW DARE YOU!
I kid, I kid. But yeah, season 8 was the epitome of the over-arching plot taking over the show.
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Mar 13 2016, 05:16 PM
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At least we haven't had anything like the Mecha Gief VS Brass Knuckles match since.
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JCW555
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Mar 13 2016, 05:17 PM
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- Mar 13 2016, 05:16 PM
At least we haven't had anything like the Mecha Gief VS Brass Knuckles match since. You got that right.
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Mar 13 2016, 05:56 PM
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- Mar 13 2016, 05:11 PM
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- Mar 13 2016, 05:08 PM
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- Mar 13 2016, 03:08 PM
This is an interesting discussion to see because the primary reason why I stopped watching VGCW was because of the matches. The last season I watched in full was the robot masters one and by that time I had begun falling out of love with the concept because the stream wasn't entertaining to watch anymore. Matches started to feel increasingly long, predictable, and boring. It really started to hammer home the fact that I was watching a bad video game play itself for 2 hours a day, several days a week. The novelty of the concept itself had worn off and wasn't enough to keep me interested, especially because I thought the robot plot was extremely bad (I realize that Bazza's plot the following season was well regarded but my interest was already gone and I never resumed watching when he returned from his break). There wasn't anything pulling me in anymore.
When I heard Bazza was leaving I watched his final stream, and TOH's first stream, but it had just run its course for me and I stopped watching again. The later WWE games not being conducive to running the show, forcing the stream to stay on a long outdated game, was a massive blow.
Season 8 was...pretty bad. And a lot of that had to do with matches ending a certain way (Robot Masters always winning, someone always coming in to save Protoman, et cetera). I don't remember any of the specific matches that well, but what I do remember is that it got a lot more interesting when that was broken up a bit - and that was all done by plot, by turning Protman heel in reaction to the fan's reaction to what was going down, and by making the matches matter again. I understand getting disillusioned by it, but honestly my biggest problem with the middle of Season 8 was that the plot and the matches just weren't connecting properly, and I think that was firmly resolved by the end of the season.
YOU DON'T REMEMBER 10-10? HOW DARE YOU! Honestly I totally forgot that it was a Season 8 match.
I mean, internally now it makes sense - Protoman lost the belt the season before, which then leads to 10-10 the next season, and Drac's boasting about his near-victory.
Just...somehow the title was really disconnected from the plot at that point, so I didn't even remember it was that season.
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JCW555
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Mar 13 2016, 05:57 PM
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- Mar 13 2016, 05:56 PM
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- Mar 13 2016, 05:11 PM
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- Mar 13 2016, 05:08 PM
Quoting limited to 3 levels deepI don't remember any of the specific matches that well, but what I do remember is that it got a lot more interesting when that was broken up a bit - and that was all done by plot, by turning Protman heel in reaction to the fan's reaction to what was going down, and by making the matches matter again.
I understand getting disillusioned by it, but honestly my biggest problem with the middle of Season 8 was that the plot and the matches just weren't connecting properly, and I think that was firmly resolved by the end of the season.
YOU DON'T REMEMBER 10-10? HOW DARE YOU!
Honestly I totally forgot that it was a Season 8 match. I mean, internally now it makes sense - Protoman lost the belt the season before, which then leads to 10-10 the next season, and Drac's boasting about his near-victory. Just...somehow the title was really disconnected from the plot at that point, so I didn't even remember it was that season. It was. Season 8 had some great matches, but they were overshadowed by the plot. It's a damn shame too.
Edited by JCW555, Mar 13 2016, 06:00 PM.
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