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Topic Started: Jul 29 2015, 03:07 PM (57,515 Views)
GirthIgnorer
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The Flint/Drac promo was hot fire.
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Kirbydamasta

I can't say I'm a fan of the grimdark writing.

Really, the reason season 11 is widely regarded as one of the best VGCW seasons was because it didn't take itself too seriously. I hope that next season we can return to the formula that worked, since this experiment in darker plot and heels winning matches isn't working too well.
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Soundwave
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I don't understand the booking of Asura vs Zangief. If it was the curtainjerk I'd understand, but outside of the curtain jerk Zangief is objectively garbage and hasn't won a match in yonks. Even if Asura won he'd have gained nothing by beating who was essentially a jobber. We know from Groose that he can potentially beat top carders, so he should have at least vsed somebody on the threshold of top card like Red or Heavy. Knuckles and Edgeworth too I guess, but you don't wanna book people two weeks in a row generally with how big the roster is. If he lost the consequences would be the same but at least he'd look great and scary with a win.

Anyway, he lost and the main point of credibility in Shadaloo is gone TT

Everything else seemed good though (y)
Edited by Soundwave, Jun 14 2016, 08:34 PM.
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MacScrewedMac
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Guile did nothing wrong
Flint had it worst. He just went from top face material who destroyed Bison to top heel material who could hang with Drac to comedy underling-tier who loses to Octodad
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VS21
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RNG has just not been good to you....

You're a good plot writer TOH, don't let the game get you down....You can come back from this
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SyntheticPolygon

Honestly, I don't think Asura and Flint's losses really matter too much. Airman's had a couple of sudden and untimely losses to lowcarders (octodad being one of them) and it hasn't really messed with him all that much. Like, I guess it's unlucky for Flint since i'd have thought one more win would lock him in for a contendership shot next season, but sometimes you lose.

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SyntheticPolygon
Jun 14 2016, 08:51 PM
Honestly, I don't think Asura and Flint's losses really matter too much. Airman's had a couple of sudden and untimely losses to lowcarders (octodad being one of them) and it hasn't really messed with him all that much. Like, I guess it's unlucky for Flint since i'd have thought one more win would lock him in for a contendership shot next season, but sometimes you lose.

It was a bit different with Air Man because he didn't have any storylines that require his success to be at their best around him.

Anyway, I don't think Flint losing to Octodad was that bad. Octodad is actually quite solid these days, he just has a reputation as a joke wrestler still, seeing as he is, y'know, a joke character.
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NCR_Ranger

VGCW is adventure and that's why I keep coming back


Keep on keeping on
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Prozach
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NOPE.
I was debating on whether or not to post this at the end of the season or if I should just post it now, but I feel as though, after tonight’s show, it’s as prudent a time as ever to state this: I have not been enjoying this season. This is one of the first seasons in a long time that I feel has had the negatives outweigh the positives, and I’m finding myself losing interest in the entire show as a whole as a result. There are several big issues I feel that have been present throughout this season that I feel has weakened the show’s quality significantly.

The Matches Don't Matter


Booking Encourages Stagnant Momentum


Need More Contendership Matches


Several Individual Characters are Written Poorly


The Characters You're Ignoring are your Actual Stars


So yeah, unfortunately I’m just not having fun with the show right now and I have some serious concerns about the direction this show’s been heading, especially in regards to how plot has been usurping the matches in terms of importance. Because of how much plot has taken control of this season, I’m finding myself with little reason to watch any of the non-PPV shows whatsoever and it’s no longer become a must-watch sort of program that I used to set aside parts of my schedule on Tuesdays for. I will say that I do think the “fun” things that have been promoted (like the money in the bank match and everything with Vegeta’s Court) have been really really fun, and the tag team scene is probably as lively as it’s ever been on the show (it’s bloated, but I understand why to allow it to function without handicapping people in singles), so it isn’t all bad. But overall I haven’t enjoyed this season nearly as much as I have Season 11.
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NCR_Ranger

I feel like how EDBW has handled the tag titles recently(getting new contenders for the PPV show while a title match as already in the works), should be a good example to follow for a title or two in VGCW, the Casual title I think would be good.

But on the other side of the coin, I like the tag team Beat the Clock
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Prozach
Jun 14 2016, 09:46 PM
I was debating on whether or not to post this at the end of the season or if I should just post it now, but I feel as though, after tonight’s show, it’s as prudent a time as ever to state this: I have not been enjoying this season. This is one of the first seasons in a long time that I feel has had the negatives outweigh the positives, and I’m finding myself losing interest in the entire show as a whole as a result. There are several big issues I feel that have been present throughout this season that I feel has weakened the show’s quality significantly.

The Matches Don't Matter


Booking Encourages Stagnant Momentum


Need More Contendership Matches


Several Individual Characters are Written Poorly


The Characters You're Ignoring are your Actual Stars


So yeah, unfortunately I’m just not having fun with the show right now and I have some serious concerns about the direction this show’s been heading, especially in regards to how plot has been usurping the matches in terms of importance. Because of how much plot has taken control of this season, I’m finding myself with little reason to watch any of the non-PPV shows whatsoever and it’s no longer become a must-watch sort of program that I used to set aside parts of my schedule on Tuesdays for. I will say that I do think the “fun” things that have been promoted (like the money in the bank match and everything with Vegeta’s Court) have been really really fun, and the tag team scene is probably as lively as it’s ever been on the show (it’s bloated, but I understand why to allow it to function without handicapping people in singles), so it isn’t all bad. But overall I haven’t enjoyed this season nearly as much as I have Season 11.
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Soundwave
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Don't agree with Prozach's point on Sho. For me it's the opposite. Sho went from being a nobody EDBW graduate to one of my favourites just by how he's been written. It's unique and makes him stand out. I don't really know what Prozach wants. He's a guy who talks with lots of math lingo, that's his thing. Nearly everybody has a thing. Nappa is all caps guy, Arino is token Japanese cliche guy. Ebisumaru is creepy <3 guy.

Like he praises the court and people like Dracula and Flint, but I don't see how what Sho is presenting is any different. Look at some of his dialogue with Reyn. If you can't look past the fact he does lots of math talking I guess it seems like nonsense, but he is an actual human saying actual things.

EDIT: I think his point about 50/50 booking is his strongest one, though. People who won their last singles match need to be vsing people who also won their last singles match and are the closest to them on the ELO/Momentum tables, barring special circumstances like plot that demand different opponents.
Edited by Soundwave, Jun 14 2016, 10:29 PM.
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MaxOfFewTrades

When I brought up how certain characters are being written completely out of character, I was told. "That I shouldn't expect characters to be faithful to the source material" I disagree with that HEAVILY, but its apparently how the VGCW universe works, and I'm learning to deal with it, and I guess you need to do so as well.
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Prozach
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NOPE.
Soundwave
Jun 14 2016, 10:15 PM
Don't agree with Prozach's point on Sho. For me it's the opposite. Sho went from being a nobody EDBW graduate to one of my favourites just by how he's been written. It's unique and makes him stand out. I don't really know what Prozach wants. He's a guy who talks with lots of math lingo, that's his thing. Nearly everybody has a thing. Nappa is all caps guy, Arino is token Japanese cliche guy. Ebisumaru is creepy <3 guy.

Like he praises the court and people like Dracula and Flint, but I don't see how what Sho is presenting is any different. Look at some of his dialogue with Reyn. If you can't look past the fact he does lots of math talking I guess it seems like nonsense, but he is an actual human saying actual things.
Again, look to the difference between Sho's promo in EDBW and how Sho's written here. In that promo, his point is that he's talking about the title match with Liquid, and using the math stuff to illustrate a point. Here, he's just using math stuff in everyday conversation.

I get he's "math guy" but what else is there? So far all I've picked up is that he's kinda an asshole and uses math terminology. For someone who had multiple vignettes made to get people excited, I'm really let down by the lack of actual "stuff" that he's saying or doing.

MaxOfFewTrades
 
When I brought up how certain characters are being written completely out of character, I was told. "That I shouldn't expect characters to be faithful to the source material" I disagree with that HEAVILY, but its apparently how the VGCW universe works, and I'm learning to deal with it, and I guess you need to do so as well.


There's a very big, obvious difference between someone being written out of character and a character being written in-character but written badly. I think Asura might be written out of character which is why I'm not as perturbed by him, but Armstrong, Falcon and (I'm assuming) Sho are supposed to be their original incarnations and I just think the writing for those three characters has been very weak this season.
Edited by Prozach, Jun 14 2016, 10:34 PM.
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Mosaique
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>dirtsheets
:VGCWBelt:

  • Season 10 started in March 2015
  • Season 10 had 13 Episodes, and "4" title matches. If you count challenge tower and Nappa's cash in, it had eight title matches
  • Season 11 had 15 Episodes, and 4 title matches
  • Season 12, the current season, has approximately 15-16 episodes total and 3 title matches.
  • In two of three title matches, Barret Wallace got free title shots, even though he lost the last #1 Contenders match in Season 11. If he won that match, the stipulation would've been identical.
  • The final title shot was earned through Royal Rumble, in which Phoenix Wright won.

  • In other words, over a span of year, VGCW Champion became much less active. Furthermore, the champion's title bout did not involve contenders match at all in the current season.

  • In one of Barret Wallace's title match, M. Bison interrupted the match
  • M. Bison's stable, Shadaloo, has record of 2-6.

  • Ganondorf, current Mr. Money in the Bank, had perfect opportunity to cash in at Mega Evolution akin to RVD at One Night Stand, making Dracula vs Ganondorf as the main event
  • Instead, he is currently stuck in angle with BLU Rogues, and they get little plot segment in comparison to Zangief and Shadaloo.
  • The possibility of Demoman and Ganondorf, two remaining black men in VGCW, becoming tag champions is hilarious, but chance of that happening is bleak.
  • Eliminating :CoOpBelt: and :CBelt: , Ganondorf going for VGCW belt at End Game renders the whole angle pointless, because Ganondorf could've done so at Mega Evolution.

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