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| Prozach | Jul 3 2016, 11:46 AM Post #631 |
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NOPE.
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"I don't like these people, therefore this storyline is bad" is not a valid complaint. |
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| slashkamei | Jul 3 2016, 11:56 AM Post #632 |
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Learning to make a good caw since 2k13
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Its not that we want to get rid of serious plot completely, it has a place on the show, just finding when is the right time to use it as using the funny wacky plot, they both have a place and time to use them, its just finding a good balance between the two |
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| AntUnderTheMoon | Jul 3 2016, 01:00 PM Post #633 |
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It felt like the right time to me. This serious plot came after what was an overall silly season of GameShark antics. There has been enough a comedy in side plots (different locations, King Vegeta's Court, and Dr. Wily's reign as Champion) to balance out how serious the main plot is unless you mean that the main plot should have silly moments which I don't necessarily agree with since Nightmare Gabe was rather humorless and that led to good stuff. On another note, I wonder who's going to be the person to take on Shin Bison. So far, nobody's really stood out to me as the main figure on the heroes side. |
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| VacantIsBestChamp | Jul 3 2016, 01:56 PM Post #634 |
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I don't think people want rid of serious plot-lines, just dark ones. |
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| Introbulus | Jul 3 2016, 02:21 PM Post #635 |
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Despite terribly missing him, the 'death' of Segata was very well-received, and the death of Grey Fox is still remembered vividly. It also doesn't help that the villains who were supposed to be creating this drama weren't really putting up a strong front to begin with, and personally, I think this previous show helped that tremendously, and balanced things out a bit with the way the show has been leaning lately. And despite what others are saying, I don't think that has anything to do with how silly it was - it has to do with the villains of the season posing a legitimate threat again. It is silly, but it's also something people can really latch onto, and helps give the Ezio/Falcon plot, which hasn't had much progress in awhile, some real impact, and even brought the Travis plot forward a bit. In a lot of ways, it felt like what we've been waiting for the whole season. It felt like, at last, all the build-up led somewhere, and even if it was hilarious, it also had real impact that I think a lot of the fans have been waiting for. |
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| Potatosaurusrex | Jul 3 2016, 04:14 PM Post #636 |
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I tried typing this post up at 5:00 AM but couldn't word it correctly, but I don't see any use in trying to differentiate plot as serious or comedy. Take, for example, the entirety of the plotline that seasons 1-6 focused on. That plot was absurd down to its premise but it was portrayed in a very serious fashion, yet both aspects showed through. Go look at Phoenix Wrong and come back to me and tell me that plot is serious. It wasn't a comedy plot or a serious plot or a throwaway plot or any other label some people like to throw on plots. The whole Nightmare Gabe storyline was super serious and its ending was met with a good reaction, though it's difficult to judge how much of that was just "people who complained about Gabe in the past are glad he's dead". However, look back on the roots of that plot and the build of Safety Valve leading up into it. Safety Valve had nothing but silly plot when it was focused on them! VGCW plot is something special, but it takes a mix of comedy and seriousness to make a good plot in my opinion is what I think I'm trying to say. The Blood Falcon plot has serious repercussions. There's an entire stadium full of cloned wrestlers working for a malevolent force that are beating the shit out of people both backstage and in the ring to close a show. People are in danger, this is a serious plot thread within the realm of the VGCW sphere. However, the premise of there being a hundred Falcons just running around is hilarious due to the circumstances and everything surrounding it. There's a chord to be struck in the middle of comedy and tragedy and I feel that the plot has struck it on tune with the last show. My suggestion is simply to keep doing plot like that. That's what this thread is for, after all, suggestions, not just feedback. |
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| Rhonne | Jul 3 2016, 08:19 PM Post #637 |
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If you want an example of a well done serious plot, we already had one this season with Barret and Dracula. It was a good story about a guy who'd come up short his entire career going for one last shot at the top before hanging up his boots for good. It was great right up until the part were Bison and Shadoloo had to get involved. I feel like having Bison interrupt it unnecessarily extended that story longer than it needed to and lessened the impact of Barret's departure. Plus, there will always be that voice in the back of my head wondering if Barret could have won that first match had it been allowed to finish. |
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| MacScrewedMac | Jul 4 2016, 03:20 PM Post #638 |
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Guile did nothing wrong
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I honestly didn't like the whole Nightmare Gabe stuff. It had a fine feel good ending but it was probably the most fundamentally unfun/unenjoyable main storyline in VGCW history. While the whole Shadaloo thing was flopping hard up until based Blood Falcon started hamming it the fuck up, the flop wasn't the writers fault, only the games. Drac/Barret was a fantastic little story up until Shadaloo so yeah, it's a good indicator of what the general seriousness should be when the stakes are high. Other than that VGCW would benefit from things being more spontaneous and fun, though there's always room for blood feuds and the like. And by fun I don't just mean "this is dumb haha", just that Toh/anyone else has fun writing it since that's a good way to tell if it'll be enjoyable |
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| Karthulu | Jul 4 2016, 04:06 PM Post #639 |
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Yeah, I'm a fan.
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![]() love ya, yolo. also this is a joke. |
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| Soundwave | Jul 5 2016, 01:18 AM Post #640 |
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A feel good ending? What the fuck? I certainly didn't feel very good and I doubt anybody else did. The emotion from that ending was what made it all worth it IMO. |
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| Mr. Satan Overlay Face | Jul 5 2016, 09:43 AM Post #641 |
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TOUGH BOY
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he's right, i felt good when gabe died |
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| GirthIgnorer | Jul 5 2016, 11:58 AM Post #642 |
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Serious plot points aren't bad, but I don't think they should be a regular focus. Under Bazza, I think the show was at its best when he'd do week after week of wacky stuff and then out of no where there'd be some huge unforseen serious plot development or heartwrenching moment. You'd catch yourself and say "woah. I'm getting emotionally invested in a video game wrestling thing. what is going on here." When serious plot and sentimental moments are commonplace, though, it dilutes that impact. Let's take Phoenix as an example. His push in this rivalry has been that he's never been able to cinch up the big one, he's in over his head against a champion in his prime but he's going to prove everyone wrong! We just got that! There was a "make my daughter proud" motivation and everything! And it was title vs. career, so the stakes were even bigger! I'm not knocking the Phoenix plot or anything - I thought this entire episode was great and nailed the serious/not-serious split well, and if he was a dude I liked more, I'd probably be hella into it. It's just an example of why I don't like the show to be serious on the regular - the more serious elements you introduce, the less impact they'll have. |
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| Karthulu | Jul 5 2016, 12:55 PM Post #643 |
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Yeah, I'm a fan.
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I was hoping Guile would get a redemption angle. He had a newfound purpose after Duke's actions, he was right after all of this time, and he had a SFV push too. Then he died. |
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| BRYN | Jul 5 2016, 03:54 PM Post #644 |
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WVGCW
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You also have to understand that if we constantly save or redeem old characters, you'll never get new ones. We already struggle sometimes with the roster sizes we have, and we have a limited time to use the CAWs we grabbed pre server shutdown. |
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| Karthulu | Jul 5 2016, 05:25 PM Post #645 |
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Yeah, I'm a fan.
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I'm fine with Goemon leaving, and there are other characters on other rosters that have been stale. I'm not saying redeem them, but Guile was a very special case that happened because of cross-show promotions. It could have led into something fantastic! |
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