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Topic Started: Jul 29 2015, 03:07 PM (57,545 Views)
Prozach
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NOPE.
slashkamei
Aug 6 2015, 07:20 AM
Can we please not defend the belt in a gimmick match anymore? I mean while its different, yes, its led to some...not quite hype ending in the past, more so ladder matches, because we all know how quick those can end: ie Gat/Demoman.

Tables matches...eh...they are ok, for a condendership sure, but to DEFEND the belt...I rather go for more normal matches.
So...wait, you said that you hated Scorpion's reign because of how boring it was, and yet when there's an obvious way to make championship matches more entertaining you...don't want those either?

A universal banning of gimmick matches for titles would be a very bad and boring idea. If they have a place (and I feel like End Game X's title match explained why it was a tables match properly) then they should be used. Would you really want to try and make Waluigi/Dracula never happen again just because the champ isn't getting pinned in the process?
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BAH GAWD KANG
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Gimmick matches are fine if properly spaced. I personally didn't like the fact that we had back-to-back triple threats, but now that we had Kanji/Sabin, we are back on the train track.
Edited by BAH GAWD KANG, Aug 6 2015, 11:26 AM.
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FoxyStalin
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Gimmick matches for the title all depend.
It's contextual.
Scorpion didn't get any because look at scorpion and tell me he would want anything other than a 1v1 pure test of might for HIS belt?
Nappa immedietly got a triple threat because "Hey Vegeta I'm gonna lose my belt Immedietly!"
Guile specifically requested a triple threat ladder match, probably because he was going to defend that belt the same way he won it, taking someone else's hard work.

Having every defense a gimmick would be stupid. This isn't the Hardcore belt.
But every now and again it's good.
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slashkamei
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Prozach
Aug 6 2015, 11:22 AM
slashkamei
Aug 6 2015, 07:20 AM
Can we please not defend the belt in a gimmick match anymore? I mean while its different, yes, its led to some...not quite hype ending in the past, more so ladder matches, because we all know how quick those can end: ie Gat/Demoman.

Tables matches...eh...they are ok, for a condendership sure, but to DEFEND the belt...I rather go for more normal matches.
So...wait, you said that you hated Scorpion's reign because of how boring it was, and yet when there's an obvious way to make championship matches more entertaining you...don't want those either?

A universal banning of gimmick matches for titles would be a very bad and boring idea. If they have a place (and I feel like End Game X's title match explained why it was a tables match properly) then they should be used. Would you really want to try and make Waluigi/Dracula never happen again just because the champ isn't getting pinned in the process?
I do hate Scorpion because of his boring reign, that has NOTHING to do with the title being defended in gimmick matches.

Look at Air Man, everyone was saying he was too strong for casual, so the best idea was a LADDER match?! Why not just have a 6 man free for all instead? It would give Air Man a CHANCE.

Having the title defended in gimmick matches are VERY risky, you could end up with a decent match like when Sabin won the belt by putting the champ through the table with his finisher, or a extremely lack luster one that ends in two mins like Gat vs Demoman.

Iron Man matches CAN work if not set on Epic.
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Prozach
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NOPE.
slashkamei
Aug 6 2015, 11:28 AM
I do hate Scorpion because of his boring reign, that has NOTHING to do with the title being defended in gimmick matches.

Look at Air Man, everyone was saying he was too strong for casual, so the best idea was a LADDER match?! Why not just have a 6 man free for all instead? It would give Air Man a CHANCE.

Having the title defended in gimmick matches are VERY risky, you could end up with a decent match like when Sabin won the belt by putting the champ through the table with his finisher, or a extremely lack luster one that ends in two mins like Gat vs Demoman.

Iron Man matches CAN work if not set on Epic.
Well Sabin didn't even use a finisher on the champ, he kinda just fell into Dan to win the belt.

But more to the point, I don't see the structural difference between a six man battle royal heavily based on luck, and a six man ladder match heavily based on luck, only that one has a higher chance for weapons and cool spots involved. For a MONEY IN THE BANK PPV, having a ladder match made perfect thematical sense while also being a solid way to transition Air Man into the main event.

Risk is always going to be a thing in gimmick matches, but they usually work out. Even Gat/Demoman was good for the hilarity of this unstoppable monster being beaten in like 2 minutes.
Edited by Prozach, Aug 6 2015, 11:34 AM.
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Weldar
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On the flip side of this topic I'll say I've actually liked how a lot of the recent non vanilla singles defenses having been done, having them feel appropriate to the character. Nappa's shenanigans were needed as a palette cleanser but they were also perfectly in character, I'd even go as far as saying I'd want him to defend in everything but a regular singles match had he kept the title. Or over in wvgcw Peacock pulling strings to challenge Tina for the casualette in an extreme rules since those are what she likes (likewise it also would have been cool to see Tina definding the belt with tables). Even Arino losing the casual belt on his first defense to a 4 way ladder match stung a bit less with it being set up as one of the Kacho's crazy challenges. I agree a good old fashioned singles match should certainly be the standard but a change of pace sometimes is nice and I'm more than fine with seeing some at any time as long is it feels like there's appropriate justification for them.
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Cran Rightia
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I feel like there are only certain situations where certain gimmick matches can properly work, lest we remove the tension from a scenario. The belt being defended in an overwrought tables match sounds like a fun train wreck to me, but on the other hand, I'd never want to see the title defended in Last Man Standing, for instance.

It also varies a bit depending on the title in question, the champion holding it, the length of the reign, the contender going for it, fringe story details, and the very immediate crowd reaction to all of the above. Everything is extremely contextual.
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Nerevar28
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Ladder matches are sort of like taking a gamble.

They are either hilariously short like Lucas/Armstrong/Kanji, or amazing classics like Waluigi vs Dracula or Viewtiful Joe vs Sonic.

But yeah, switching things up now and then isn't too bad.
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MacScrewedMac
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Guile did nothing wrong
I'm not big on gimmick title matches but it can work in certain situations and characters. Like, if Demoman vs Edgeworth ever happens for the title it needs to be an Iron Man match
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FoxyStalin
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I really liked the build up to Sabin/Kanji's title match. It did have 3 weeks and had the spearhead of the new generation vs the ultimate returner, and that did not go to waste.
It fleshed out Sabin's charecter a whole lot, as well as Kanji's, and made the match feel that much more intense because you could just feel how much they WANTED this.

Very good.
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NCR_Ranger

It is just a little thing, but I like the graphic before the main event, especially for a title match.


Gets you a little more excited, like "yeah, it's time!"

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GirthIgnorer
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The build-up to TJ&E vs. Dragons has been similarly great. If TJ&E wins, well, they earned it. If they lose, they handed the Dragons their asses two weeks in a row in singles, so they don't look like chumps. It just looks like the Dragons have otherworldly teamwork abilities, which has been a theme of their character arc(A thing I can't believe I've just typed about video game characters fake wrestling.)

The goal of title match-build up should be to A. get people hyped, obviously and B. introduce a narrative that makes sense in case of either outcome. Both TJ&E/Dragons and Kanji/Sabin have done both of those in spades, and for that I tip my hat hard to TOH.
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Potatosaurusrex
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"I AM THE CHAMPION, WHICH MEANS I AM THE BEST WRESTLER IN THIS BUSINESS... BUT ONLY IN VANILLA SINGLES."

Was going to chime in a lot earlier but I was driving. Yay.

Also, I agree with both people in that the builds of the title matches thus far have been excellent. I hope that these continue to be written and played out as well as they have been.
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Peptobislawl
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Weldar
Aug 6 2015, 11:35 AM
On the flip side of this topic I'll say I've actually liked how a lot of the recent non vanilla singles defenses having been done, having them feel appropriate to the character. Nappa's shenanigans were needed as a palette cleanser but they were also perfectly in character, I'd even go as far as saying I'd want him to defend in everything but a regular singles match had he kept the title. Or over in wvgcw Peacock pulling strings to challenge Tina for the casualette in an extreme rules since those are what she likes (likewise it also would have been cool to see Tina definding the belt with tables). Even Arino losing the casual belt on his first defense to a 4 way ladder match stung a bit less with it being set up as one of the Kacho's crazy challenges. I agree a good old fashioned singles match should certainly be the standard but a change of pace sometimes is nice and I'm more than fine with seeing some at any time as long is it feels like there's appropriate justification for them.
Maybe it's just me, but i don't really see Extreme rules as a gimmick match in the same way as a tables match is a gimmick. It's still more or less the same "pin the other guy" wrestling, just a little more violent.

not really arguing with anything else you said, but you were a convenient segue into the topic.
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NottyRose
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Extreme Rules qualify as a gimmick match because weapons can throw things out of equilibrium very quickly. See: Phoenix Wright vs Scorpion, Snake vs Guile.
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