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Topic Started: Apr 15 2016, 08:29 AM (915 Views)
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Enhas
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Apr 15 2016, 08:29 AM
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So this game has finally been released in the west. Going to play it for a few hours later.
Make sure you've absolutely finished the first game before starting this one though. When you first load it up, you get a long and narrated recap of Bravely Default that spoils the entire game.
Edit: Well, just played for a few hours and (so far) I've only unlocked one job, so it doesn't look like you get as many so soon like the first game. Also I just got this game's version of the "rebuilding" mini game, so that basically means leaving my 3DS on for days on end to get everything there as early as I can. It shouldn't take too long though, because you can get five extra villagers per day by updating data. I'm still in the Prologue chapter so not everything is unlocked yet, they give it to you bit by bit (no Bravely Second option yet, even though it was available from the start in the demo, for one).
Edited by Enhas, Apr 15 2016, 12:24 PM.
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Apr 15 2016, 06:05 PM
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By "the West", I presume you mean the west of the Atlantic? :^)
I'm a ways into it. Not as far as I perhaps ought to be, due to Twilight Princess HD and a few other distractions. Still, if anyone wants to add me for the special attack goodies and further advantages in the rebuilding minigame, my 3DS Friend Code is 2020-0226-9922.
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Enhas
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Apr 16 2016, 07:50 AM
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My code is: 1590-5772-6015
In the rebuilding mini game, I finished the Pharma-Lab first because that way I'll get lots of items for free, and it's better the earlier you get it (plus it also means you can buy stuff from the Adventurer if you really need it).
Speaking of the Adventurer, it's nice that you can also pay for a "cottage" (inn) now directly before bosses.
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Apr 17 2016, 12:12 AM
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- Enhas
- Apr 16 2016, 07:50 AM
My code is: 1590-5772-6015
In the rebuilding mini game, I finished the Pharma-Lab first because that way I'll get lots of items for free, and it's better the earlier you get it (plus it also means you can buy stuff from the Adventurer if you really need it).
Speaking of the Adventurer, it's nice that you can also pay for a "cottage" (inn) now directly before bosses.
Spoiler: click to toggle It's funny though that Yew has a tent, and yet still decides to pay for a cottage
I'm just getting started with chapter 1 and, storywise, this game already has it better compared to BD.
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Enhas
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Apr 17 2016, 08:05 AM
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Yeah I like it better than the first game already too, and I'm pretty much just at the start of Chapter 1 as well.
(Already wasted a lot of time in that Chompcraft mini-game)
Edit: Played a bit more today. Spoiler: click to toggle The mutually-exclusive side quest decisions really make you feel like shit though, there's not really a "right" choice. I think you can still get the other job you didn't take later though, but probably much later.
Edited by Enhas, Apr 17 2016, 04:10 PM.
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Apr 18 2016, 02:17 AM
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- Apr 17 2016, 08:05 AM
Yeah I like it better than the first game already too, and I'm pretty much just at the start of Chapter 1 as well. (Already wasted a lot of time in that Chompcraft mini-game) Edit: Played a bit more today. Spoiler: click to toggle The mutually-exclusive side quest decisions really make you feel like shit though, there's not really a "right" choice. I think you can still get the other job you didn't take later though, but probably much later.
Spoiler: click to toggle My understanding is that they were changing all that for the western release, after the Japanese bitched about how the party complained about their choices no matter what option you take.
Either way it all becomes a case of how you feel about the decision yourself and/or what asterik you want.
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Apr 18 2016, 12:57 PM
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Yeah I finally caved and got this, I was going to wait but couldn't, I am enjoying this far more than the first game for sure, I would kinda suggest playing the demo before this, to get the backstory and the free items but those items aren't anything major so just playing it on casual for the story is just as good
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Enhas
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Apr 19 2016, 10:53 AM
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I'm playing like 2-3 hours a day, but I take it fairly slow (I like to get bestiary entries when I can, because I never know if they'll stop being available after a certain point) so I'm not still very far in.
I think I'm getting close to the end of Chapter 1 though, but there's still an optional side-quest to do before that.
Spoiler: click to toggle The first Ba'al is probably the first real challenge you get in the game, in that you can't just default, save up brave points and just spam attacks to win (it's actually the same as the final boss in the demo). It's fairly easy though, so long as you have a way to remove blind... so either spellcrafting Mist with either Open Eyes or Esuna (so you get healed for three turns) or using Halfsies with Eye Drops.
The boss right after that was very easy though.
Edit: Spoiler: click to toggle Catmancer job really seems like a watered-down Vampire, at least skill-wise (and the fact you need limited-use items). It seems pretty strong for when you first get it though, with that S Knuckle rank.
Edited by Enhas, Apr 19 2016, 09:49 PM.
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Apr 28 2016, 10:37 PM
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Okay, just finished Chapter 4, and started Chapter 5. Needless to say, the mid-game twist this time around is far better than the one in the first game.
DON'T read unless you've already played it, or don't care:
Spoiler: click to toggle The whole world is completely screwed. There's absolutely nothing you can do, and even all the random encounters on the world map have been replaced by Ba'als that will likely kill you dead if you try and fight them (I think they're max level, and way beyond your own levels unless you've really power-leveled). There's not even any music (outside of battles) and everything has a dull hue.
The game pretty much tells you that you have to start a New Game +, but what can be very easily missed is that you have to use Bravely Second during the one moment you have control of Yew in the intro battle (which you didn't the first time). I didn't and noticed that something was wrong when everything went the same as before and the "Prologue" chapter started. Really, I thought I screwed up and lost my save and would have to start the entire game over, but I just started another New Game + over the same file again and did it right this time. I mean, the Adventurer tells you outright to use Bravely Second to "try again" but I didn't clue in right away.
It's not really explained how this happens other than being a "miracle". I can understand Magnolia, Edea and Tiz being summoned from another world, but not how Yew ended up there. Plus the fact that some people have memories of the previous time-line / world, but not everyone, and Agnès to a greater extreme than any (she remembers an eternity of loops, all identical). It pretty much makes my head spin, but whatever. This is still better than "hey, let's repeat the game over four more times!" was in the first game.
Now if they'd only explain what the hell happened to the continent that you started the first game on. You know, the one with Caldisla and Norende, which is absent from the world map.
Edited by Enhas, Apr 28 2016, 10:38 PM.
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May 5 2016, 09:39 AM
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Spoiler: click to toggle Well holy shit, the Yokai side quest was uh.... that was a bit of a heavy story bomb.
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May 7 2016, 08:53 PM
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Okay, so I finished the game. My thoughts about it are below (WARNING: Entire game spoilers, so don't read unless you've also finished the game):
Spoiler: click to toggle I've done everything and have the logbook completed, aside from the Ba'als (I need to keep getting them from the internet, which will take a while) and some of the Chompcraft songs.
The game as a whole was presented and flowed better than the first one, though it felt like a figurative and literal retread at some points. The whole "bunch of people that seem evil, but turns out they're not really" plot was done better because this time you really got to know their motivations, where in the first game they really didn't tell you anything. The fact that all of them survive (except Denys, but it doesn't look like he's dead) after you know better to kill them was pretty nice too.
Even though the final boss was (again) a giant asshole out of nowhere that just wanted to kill everything, I like the whole reverse-Earthbound thing they did to give you control back after Providence hacked the game. But I think it would've been more shock value if it actually appeared like your files were deleted, you had to start a "new game" again and in the opening cutscene this time around everyone turns and supports you. But I liked the way they did it.
The mid-game twist was much better in this game versus the first (the four loops were terrible), even though I didn't get it at first. A lot of people I've seen didn't either, but you quickly get loads of hints in "NG+" that something is wrong (mostly from the Adventurer). The "loop" in this game isn't much of one though, with all the sidequests shortened quite a bit the second time around (especially the Ominas one) and Chapter 5 goes by pretty fast. I knew going into the game that you'd be able to get the other job you didn't pick later, so in the first run I purposely picked all the "wrong" (to me) decisions.
And then Chapter 6 starts. With "...ning."
After hearing that four times in the second half of Bravely Default, I think it was pretty normal to be just a bit scared here. The innkeeper even says the exact same lines after that that he did in the first game. Luckily, it wasn't a time-travel into the past or something, because that would have been truly stupid.
So we find out why the whole Caldis continent was gone... kind of. It's implied that Yoko did it to protect the world from Providence, but it's not exactly clear. Anything to do with her isn't exactly clear, which leads to my biggest misgivings with this game.
I don't know whether to think it's clever or to be annoyed with the fact that they're advertising the next game, before this game was even done (as far back as Chapter 2). We find out some things about Yoko, very little lore about the Sword of the Brave and Planeswardens, and of course Ringabel popping in and out throughout the game (and the voice-over at the very end). And then there was the whole bit with the Adventurer at the end, which also explained the "green" Adventurer at the start of BD (which I always thought was just a palette error) and that she's some powerful, time-traveling immortal.
All of that is nice, but, it's just dangling little hooks for the plot of the next game, which won't be out for years and certainly not on the 3DS. I liked the movie with Magnolia at the very end of Bravely Default... it was just enough to get you interested in the next game, but this game goes overboard.
All in all, though, this game feels like the first one but done better. It had the whole "evil empire that's not really evil (of course, with the cliche that the Kaiser was Yew's brother)" and "evil fairy with giant, false god abomination that wants to kill everything" but better, with most of the kinks from the first game ironed out.
And the shipping at the end, between Tiz/Agnès and Yew/Magnolia... awww. I still feel really bad for Edea though, because her boyfriend is gallivanting around time and space or something (not clear why or how he's doing that, but he was on the freaking moon at the end somehow) even though she's not really "alone".
Edited by Enhas, May 7 2016, 08:56 PM.
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May 8 2016, 02:34 PM
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Okay, so I finished the game. My thoughts about it are below (WARNING: Entire game spoilers, so don't read unless you've also finished the game): Spoiler: click to toggle I've done everything and have the logbook completed, aside from the Ba'als (I need to keep getting them from the internet, which will take a while) and some of the Chompcraft songs.
The game as a whole was presented and flowed better than the first one, though it felt like a figurative and literal retread at some points. The whole "bunch of people that seem evil, but turns out they're not really" plot was done better because this time you really got to know their motivations, where in the first game they really didn't tell you anything. The fact that all of them survive (except Denys, but it doesn't look like he's dead) after you know better to kill them was pretty nice too.
Even though the final boss was (again) a giant asshole out of nowhere that just wanted to kill everything, I like the whole reverse-Earthbound thing they did to give you control back after Providence hacked the game. But I think it would've been more shock value if it actually appeared like your files were deleted, you had to start a "new game" again and in the opening cutscene this time around everyone turns and supports you. But I liked the way they did it.
The mid-game twist was much better in this game versus the first (the four loops were terrible), even though I didn't get it at first. A lot of people I've seen didn't either, but you quickly get loads of hints in "NG+" that something is wrong (mostly from the Adventurer). The "loop" in this game isn't much of one though, with all the sidequests shortened quite a bit the second time around (especially the Ominas one) and Chapter 5 goes by pretty fast. I knew going into the game that you'd be able to get the other job you didn't pick later, so in the first run I purposely picked all the "wrong" (to me) decisions.
And then Chapter 6 starts. With "...ning."
After hearing that four times in the second half of Bravely Default, I think it was pretty normal to be just a bit scared here. The innkeeper even says the exact same lines after that that he did in the first game. Luckily, it wasn't a time-travel into the past or something, because that would have been truly stupid.
So we find out why the whole Caldis continent was gone... kind of. It's implied that Yoko did it to protect the world from Providence, but it's not exactly clear. Anything to do with her isn't exactly clear, which leads to my biggest misgivings with this game.
I don't know whether to think it's clever or to be annoyed with the fact that they're advertising the next game, before this game was even done (as far back as Chapter 2). We find out some things about Yoko, very little lore about the Sword of the Brave and Planeswardens, and of course Ringabel popping in and out throughout the game (and the voice-over at the very end). And then there was the whole bit with the Adventurer at the end, which also explained the "green" Adventurer at the start of BD (which I always thought was just a palette error) and that she's some powerful, time-traveling immortal.
All of that is nice, but, it's just dangling little hooks for the plot of the next game, which won't be out for years and certainly not on the 3DS. I liked the movie with Magnolia at the very end of Bravely Default... it was just enough to get you interested in the next game, but this game goes overboard.
All in all, though, this game feels like the first one but done better. It had the whole "evil empire that's not really evil (of course, with the cliche that the Kaiser was Yew's brother)" and "evil fairy with giant, false god abomination that wants to kill everything" but better, with most of the kinks from the first game ironed out.
And the shipping at the end, between Tiz/Agnès and Yew/Magnolia... awww. I still feel really bad for Edea though, because her boyfriend is gallivanting around time and space or something (not clear why or how he's doing that, but he was on the freaking moon at the end somehow) even though she's not really "alone".
Spoiler: click to toggle Pretty much completely agree with what you're saying, other than the teasing for Bravely Third, which I found very intriguing. Yoko was my favorite for her biting tongue and mysterious nature, and although I completely cheesed the final boss with a certain magic setup, it was still a really cool end sequence. Once again the Bravely series delivers, and I look forward to where it goes next.
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