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#1 Contender Prediction Thread; Who will be the next opponent to go for the belt?
Topic Started: Sep 7 2013, 07:53 PM (94,593 Views)
DongyKonga
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Sounds Like A Bodacious Time
Flint may be a former undercarder but he's won five straight singles matches (dating back to a year ago but it's still a streak damn it). If Johnny Cage can get a contendership shot for being pretty wishy-washy and then beating Phoenix, then Flint should get a Contendership shot for winning 5 straight and fucking pushing Phoenix's shit in.
Oh yeah, and let's not forget that our last Champ who had two defenses was treading water and some people were calling for his head. I'd call Sabin before his hot streak undercard. Fuck, prior to this season Dracula had been doing pretty terribly since his match against Scorps. You're basically making people stay in a division without giving them a shot to move up despite clear evidence they should. That just creates a locked top card. Every single contender during Scorpion's reign was unique. The two Championship matches in WVGCW last season were between the same two people.
WVGCW's problem for pretty much its entire existence has been a weak top card consisting of the same 6 or 7 wrestlers and that line of thinking could cause similar problems in VGCW. The key to a successful top card is diversity, which VGCW has done an excellent job of doing because of the less strictly defined borders between divisions. Someone's previous reputation as an undercarder should have no effect on the fact that they're red hot and have beaten really good competition.
Edited by DongyKonga, Nov 12 2015, 12:50 PM.
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Prozach
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NOPE.
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Nov 12 2015, 07:56 AM
In my mind, she batted above her level and flamed out.
She beat Lucina, Lightning and Cate in one season. The hell else she needed to do? Cash in her anti-rematch clause to prevent bad booking from ruining her heat?

It took Jill eleventy billion wins in a row and a bunch of multiman bullshit and plot distractions like a damn Cammy feud for her to be recognized for her accomplishments over a year later. I don't want the same fate to befall Flint.
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NottyRose
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A rose, by any other name...
I feel like there's something to the notion that Jade's push at the START of S6 could be argued as somewhat unmerited. Before she came out to gabber at Cate, her previous matches were a loss to Lightning, and wins over Franziska and Poison, matches that, in hindsight, don't really appear to mean all that much.

And while she carried herself well after being thrown into the fire, all three of her wins were pretty close affairs, and the win over Cate looks to be more of an outlier in retrospect, given how unremarkable her loss at Breakdown was.

But that's WV, and this is VGCW.

I think, ultimately, there's a difference in opinion stemming from general levels of patience. Some people want to see people pushed when they get hot, others take a more wait-and-see approach, both have their merits, because while the former can argue stagnation, pushing people that turn out to be frauds ends up with you drowning in Barret Wallaces.
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John Dudebro
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I would rather see Flint go for Casuals because it always kind of bothers me when someone who's sucked forever suddenly gets good and jumps straight to the main title. I'd rather see them spend a little longer competing for the midcard belt, which should theoretically be a stepping stone to the main event anyway.

Plus, if guys like Ezio were competing over the Casual title right now it would make that belt a lot cooler.
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Kingault
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Hm, for Endgame, I'd like to see Heavy fight Groose for the Casual belt, but I don't feel it's right giving a title shot without a match for it(Only time in recent history I remember someone getting a title shot without having to duel someone for it in a Contender's match(any type/# of wrestlers) is the Iron Fist tag team in WVGCW)... Bison already had a title match this season, and Flint might be too recent... Heavy vs Layton for this season, Bison vs Flint early next?(All for Casual)

I also want to see Ezio get another title shot, but, similar to Flint, it's kinda too early for him to get another one..,
Edited by Kingault, Nov 12 2015, 02:51 PM.
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BAH GAWD KANG
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Are you implying the Casual belt isn't cool enough John?

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I think it should be done on a case by case basis. I know the whole "Flint beat Dante and Phoenix" is a main arguement for the main belt, but honestly, neither of those guys have been having the best season. One can only crutch on past achievements for so long.
Edited by BAH GAWD KANG, Nov 12 2015, 02:53 PM.
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Mosaique
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Flint beat Dante and Phoenix. That's 2 wins. His last singles match before that was on March against Layton.

Between March and now, he got two casual contenders and one casual championship match and botched them all. I say he needs to tear the house down to get another shot.
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FCD
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He botched them all? He was the one doign the ebst performence in the last multiman match he had, the only reason he lsot is when Toad and Sonci workerd together sicne he was outmatching both of them one by one before that. It's not Flint fault if he only ever had multimans match for is contenders match.

Oh, and about the fact he didn't had success before so he should never have some. First of all, he had no sucess in the times he had a custom finish. Ever since he got ride of that he became a good midcarder at minimum. Let's not forget that Dan was a pathetic loser in term of wins for a long time, he still main-evented EGX and I don't think he actually is better than Flint in the ring. Knuckles is getting pushed too, but he dosen't have that much sucess. In fact, Flint is more sucesfull than him ever since both got better in term of victories, it didn't stop Knuckles from having contenders match. I really don't think that's a valid argument, 'cause if you never push different peoples, you end up with a top card that enver move and become very uninteresting after a while. Someone slowly but surey rising to the top is great and Flint is doign a really good job at it. Give him more 1vs 1 agains tother guys, hell, send him someone like Guile, Bowser, Duke or anything. Everybody went crazy after Waluigi doing good versus Duke, same thign for Arino, why not Flint?

Since the last two seasons, he's proving that non-only he can face the top-card, he can even beat some of the greatest. I seriously believe, that while not being ready at one-hundred prucent for the big belt, he only need one or two clean match to prove himself.
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Prozach
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NOPE.
BAH GAWD KANG
Nov 12 2015, 02:52 PM
I know the whole "Flint beat Dante and Phoenix" is a main arguement for the main belt, but honestly, neither of those guys have been having the best season. One can only crutch on past achievements for so long.
You know what you're right about that. That's probably the best case for why he shouldn't get it just yet. They're on the low end of top carders at this point. Phoenix in particular has only 2 wins in his past 9 matches, and one was against Captain Falcon.
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Rude_Semprini
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Prozach
Nov 12 2015, 03:20 PM
BAH GAWD KANG
Nov 12 2015, 02:52 PM
I know the whole "Flint beat Dante and Phoenix" is a main arguement for the main belt, but honestly, neither of those guys have been having the best season. One can only crutch on past achievements for so long.
You know what you're right about that. That's probably the best case for why he shouldn't get it just yet. They're on the low end of top carders at this point. Phoenix in particular has only 2 wins in his past 9 matches, and one was against Captain Falcon.
Shit, you're right.

What the fuck is actually happening this season? We've got Phoenix, Bowser and Dante all jobbing out and we've got Ezio, Flint and Sonic looking strong as hell?
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FCD
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I wouldn't say they are jobbing, the 3 you name are always close to a victory even when they lose. It's not like they are doing performences like Falcon did ebfore he temporary left. They still look strong in all their matches.
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AaronTheBaron
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Yeah, I'm thinking that Flint should, at most, be in a Casual contendership match, but even then the just recently had a shot at it. I also am not sure about Bison, since he also just had a Casual Match.

Really, (and assuming that it's Heavy vs Groose at End Game for it) the only guy I keep coming back to for a contender is Layton. Maybe at the Go Home Show for End Game we'll get another guy who could step in as an opponent for Layton, but I can't think of anyone off the top of my head. If Duke wins a match, maybe him? Considering he made it to the finals of the KotB tourney? Or Vegeta if he doesn't want to get instantly pushed to a Main Title Contendership?
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Nap1400
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The thing with Flint is that all the casual #1 contenders' matches he's been in are multiman matches, which is probably part of the reason he always comes so close yet so far. If he deserves another casual shot, I say put him in a similar match to Bison vs. Travis so it becomes less screwy.
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Rude_Semprini
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Really, this is discussion for another season. I'm always happy to have a fair fight for a contendership, it's part of the "Anything Can Happen" attitude. But seriously, supposing Heavy fights Layton or something, what if he loses? What the hell happens to the plotline that has been built up this whole season? It means Groose is busy for Endgame, and the plotline is either dragged past it's climax to Season 12, stopping other new plotlines from forming, or just abandoned because Heavy isn't able to fight Groose. It would be hugely unsatisfying.

Heavy has had so few singles matches in his career. He's also never had a singles match during a PPV. This would be his first PPV solo fight, his first Title Shot, and the culmination of a feud all in one fight. I just could not handle seeing that ruined just because Layton decided to go beast mode next week and beat him to the punch.
Edited by Rude_Semprini, Nov 12 2015, 04:21 PM.
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PlasticAutomaton
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Until he beat Segata, Dante also hadn't won a singles match since Scorpion happened to his hot streak. The top card has just been having an absolutely terrible season or two, and I don't even know what the fuck.
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