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VGCW Plot Theories and Speculation; Solving the unsolved mysteries of VGCW
Topic Started: Nov 2 2013, 05:47 PM (65,030 Views)
GirthIgnorer
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I mean, is it Red? I didn't watch during that time and have only the wiki to go off of. Robo-Woody would crack me up.
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FreewayKnight
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I wasn't thinking Nightmare as in heel. I was thinking Nightmare as in someone who has abilities that can affect the mind or even dreams. Mr. L sounds like a good choice, since Luigi on roster during the rise of the Drac Pack. Also, if you would recall, after being let loose from the Elite Four, he went on an damn near unstoppable rampage. Sure, Luigi was able to defeat him in a dream after being influenced by fighting Mario...but with such an Achilles Heel in the good Doctor, why would Dracula be so afraid?
Edited by FreewayKnight, Sep 2 2014, 10:04 PM.
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Sep 2 2014, 09:42 PM
Justin_Brett
Sep 2 2014, 09:35 PM
I don't think Bazza would use that, he doesn't seem to like Twitch Plays Pokemon.
yeah well he didn't like the Suplex Counter either, and now we have Counting with Sabin, so its possible still
Plus, Drac said attempting to roboticize the guy (whoever it is) will fail and release that nightmare again. Speaking of which, didn't the Drac Pack beat up on Red some time after he lost the :CBelt: to Segata? That would warrant a pretty big negative for that time, and with no voice to vent with it's entirely feasible for Drac to think the negative energy remains largely intact today.
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I've got a few thoughts about this...and here's my favored candidates in order of most-to-least likely.

:red: : Definitely the most likely. He beat Dan, and was then assaulted by the Drac Pac, a group that he almost took on by himself at that point. The only problem here is that he doesn't have a 'low' that he's sunk to at that point. And the fact that he hasn't recently had much prominence - the Practice are looking for obvious power houses. Though he'd make a great Twitch Bot...

:darklord: : It adds up. He recently lost his spot not only in the Great Tournament, but also in the run for the Belt. I can't remember if he still had the tag-team belt, but I think he'd lost that as well. And he's definitely powerful. Dracula's refusal to tell him may have just been because of the way Ganondorf was acting towards him, and the fact that he didn't want to take him down on his own right then and there...or possibly because Ganondorf already stopped him long ago...the only problem here is that the Dark Lord doesn't really bottle up his feelings.

:uhno: : Definitely keeps any 'anger' he feels supressed. Definitely a power house. Definitely was at a low point with not winning the tournament. But was also tied up in creating a tag-team at the time.

:Objection: : Phoenix was in a pretty bad spot himself - his investigation was going nowhere and he had a lot of bad attitude pent up. I don't rank him very highly because Bazza's been staying away from Phoenix and Snake plot-wise, and because he doesn't strike me as a prime Practice target.

:Jensen: : Jensen is a long shot, because I feel like Dracula might've started out saying it directly to him if he wanted to save VGCW, and wouldn't have danced around it. And, he was literally right there talking to him, and Jensen would've remembered everything he told him anyway. it'd be interesting to be sure...but it'd be a swerve even Russo would be hard-pressed to swallow.

Those are my top candidates. And no, I don't think Tingle is on this list.
Edited by Introbulus, Sep 2 2014, 10:53 PM.
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What about Vamphound members?

IIRC, the members were Mr. Satan, Geno and Snake right?

Geno would make some sense because Dracula did try to fool him in one plot scene. However, Geno has no story prior to the Drac pack so...

I doubt Dracula tried to recruit Satan since he was in a feud with Dan at the time, but it could be an option. Besides, he just moved to WVGCW so he has a usable CAW.

Snake is unlikely since he's been in plot thousands of time already.

Maybe we could have a very random Liquid Snake return? Or Kratos? OR DONTE?!
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E-Tap
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It seems "OK" to battle you.
This post might run a bit long, as a forewarning. Let's take a look at DK for a bit, shall we?
HereComesTheChief
Sep 2 2014, 07:50 PM
Put it this way, Red is the only mute on the roster (I know Ness is also a mute, but he actually talks).
So here's a funny thing, you know who else doesn't talk?
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njr
Sep 2 2014, 08:21 PM
Hmmm. Donkey Kong? Except that he's exerted his anger with Gabe over the dragonballs.
I wouldn't quite say that. Take a look what DK's had to go through before and during the big dragonball shuffle, and let's see what can be traced to a possible source of anger from him: http://vgcw.wikia.com/wiki/Donkey_Kong
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Phoenix Wright revealed on the 2013-03-12 show that the reason for his suspension was due to the fact that his finisher, the Banana Slamma, was actually the Glitch Bomb. DK's fans quickly became divided, the secret behind his overwhelming power finally revealed, outing him as a dirty cheater. The use of this stripped DK of the VGCW title and resulted in him facing a suspension.
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On September 7th, he was booked to fight Geno. However, before he could head down the ramp, he was jumped on, literally, by Gabe Newell, and the match didn't go ahead. However, Gabe was foolish and didn't snatch DK's Dragon Ball when he was knocked out cold. When DK awoke, he was in a fit of rage, effectively leading to a match in the next episode with the GM.
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Donkey Kong later retaliated with a devastating Donkey Punch, knocking Gabe down face first on to the mat. Much to everyone's surprise, when DK went for the pin, the lights in the arena blacked out. The audience panicked, unable to tell what was happening in the ring. Several minutes passed until the lights finally came back on, and the show had already ended. It was announced that Gabe had kicked out of DK's pin, and made him submit with a Wallet Squeeze. Despite the lack of video evidence, Gabe walked away with a Dragon Ball, and DK had his streak tarnished.
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DK obliged the crowd by completely dismantling the Robotic Master and winning the match by KO to the amazement of everyone. Perhaps he shared the audience's rage over Air Man's murder of a fellow Glitch Bomb user and was seeking vengeance, or perhaps he just really hated robots.

Despite Donkey Kong's previous possibly ill-gotten title win, he hasn't had any sort of chance to really work that out. The only time he got the chance to get his hands on Gabe was actually the tag match last week that everyone credits Diddy for doing a lot of work in. DK also probably doesn't realize what makes his old move illegal, he abides by the laws of the jungle, not of man. DK's been holding a lot of salt against Gabe and God only knows who else, and has been believed to be a walking time bomb regardless.

HereComesTheChief
Sep 2 2014, 08:24 PM
DK was still suspended from the VGCW at the time due to The Glitch Bomb, so doubtful.
That actually makes this more likely for DK to be the one. DK was suspended, so no one would miss notice him being gone if he was corrupted, and it gave Dracula an amazing opportunity to go for him. This was back when DK was king of the jungle also, and you know what probably tipped Dracula off to DK's power?
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Yeah, he probably wanted to turn that to his own advantage there, and unsurprising they couldn't keep THE DEMON KONG (THAT'S GOTTA BE KONG) in check if he still dabbled in the verboten slams.

Also, remember that Dracula says he didn't tell anyone of his failure despite the possibility of word getting out if his plans were made clear. DK quite literally couldn't tell anyone on the attack on his life because, well, he's the big monkey. DK's had to work with that in the back of his head for so long now, imagine how THAT must be building up.

BAH GAWD KANG
Sep 2 2014, 09:11 PM
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Lets review what Drac says.

-Person was someone who doesn't vent or hasn't vented in a while
-Person was at a point where they were extremely negative when Drac found him, and is possibly still very negative currently
-Defeated the Drac Pack when they tried to take him (although this could have happened offscreen since Dracula never brought the issue up)
-Person really doesn't want to be a robot.

Who does this sound like?
All things considered, my first thought was Red, but this is a very strong case pointing to DK as the big MONKEY target.
Edited by E-Tap, Sep 3 2014, 12:19 AM.
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Kinda bummed the season seems like it is going to end nearly the same way as the Dragon Ball Saga. I was really hoping for a major shake-up but it seems like things are going to just be status quo for the next season.
Edited by GhostofGhostDad, Sep 3 2014, 12:32 AM.
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Cornwind Evil
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Here's another 'out there' theory, on the possibility that Bazza is aiming for a surprise of some kind. What about Sonic?

It's something of a stretch, I'll admit. It's mainly based on these thoughts.

1) Sonic has an established canon super mode, Super Sonic, which greatly increases his power.

2) Bazza's British. In the British only 'Sonic: The Comic', Super Sonic was not a superpowered mode of Sonic, but a wholly separate personality that, if not evil, was kind of a sociopathic asshole.

3) Sonic has been strangely ignored this whole season. He's blown off the Practice's (and Eggman's) evil deeds, while Proto Man's at the head of the line opposing Wily. Neither Wily or Eggman have mentioned him, and you'd think with all the times he's been thwarted in the past (It's in Eggman's damn THEME song, "I'd love to destroy the blue one you know, He's an obstacle who always gets in my way") he'd want to do SOMETHING to make sure Sonic doesn't suddenly get off his duff and repeat history again, or at least MENTION him. And if ANYONE would react badly to attempted robotization, it would be Sonic. He's had robot CLONES (5 of them or so), but Eggman's never succeeded in nearly cornering him and turning him into a mech.

4) Sonic's whole personality is 'He's laid back and cocky'. He rarely expresses legit ANGER (when he does, it can be pretty damn awesome: there was one comic where Robotnik succeeded in legit enraging him and Sonic literally ran across the whole continent and then ran BACK to do a running attack, and this was in normal mode). Seems like someone who'd have trouble expressing negative vibes and hence might have repressed them, especially since he was basically fired for looking ugly (see below).

5) Sonic's had a shitty time since Endgame 7. He got planted by Proto Man to prevent a possible cash-in, then Proto Man beat him up. His only friend was robotized. His cash in failed in grand style. He's lost more matches than he's won, with a lot of people booing him over choices that are opportunistic, at worst. Hell, he lost his last match to his own move being used against him. If anyone's got a lot of negative enegry repressed, Sonic's a fair candidate.

6) This concept of a 'nightmare' that will 'destroy the world' is coming from Dracula, an evil being of darkness. What would a world-destroying nightmare seem like to him? Why, why not a being of blazing golden light?

There are, of course, some problems with this theory.

1) Sonic was off roster during Season 3 and 4. Ergo, he may be disqualified completely.

2) Why would Dracula approach Sonic, unless being fired had him with a large store of negative energy, ESPECIALLY with Sonic's reputation of being a hero? All of Dracula's recruits were either evil (Kefka), an asshole (Dan at the time), simplecreepyevil (Woody), evil leaning with a huge chip on their shoulder (Vegeta), or came to him desiring revenge (Phoenix).

3) A lot of this relies on meta reasons and pure chance. If Sonic had won a lot more matches this season, he in theory wouldn't have any reason to have negative energy stored, nor can Bazza predict how the VGCW audience will react and/or treat people.

Still, if Bazza wanted to try and throw a complete curve ball, there are worse things to paper over then this. Sonic is still a dark horse candidate for this ultimate warrior.
Edited by Cornwind Evil, Sep 3 2014, 04:42 AM.
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People have made some great cases for DK, Red, Tingle, and others. Personally, I think Gabe might work as far as the repressed negativity goes. Gabe has always been jolly or quick to return to a good mood. He's been keeping all that negativity bottled up inside since the show began and if some part of him realized that Jensen didn't like him, he was disliked as champion, etc. then that denial could create one hell of a ticking time bomb. However, Gabe has had a lot of matches in the show's history, so the sheer number may have vented that steam. Also, if I recall correctly, Gabe was pretty content and successful in Season 3 until the finale.

This is out of left field, but what if the target is Mario? The man's been a mostly silent blank slate for decades, thus unable to express himself and his true thoughts very well. His career was never the best in VGCW either, epitomized by the fact that he had been cut from the roster once before, and the Mr. L incident shows that there's some dangerous darkness bottled up in that family. In light of the Dragons revealing that Mario has stayed on the show as a backstage doctor, he could still be around as a target. However, Mario has never really done anything in the show that would make him a great choice for mechanization, so it falls apart there.
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BAH GAWD KANG
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Hopefully we will get something fun and interesting out of this...the last thing I want is for someone to feel shoehorned into the plot, which is very possible given some of the possibilities.
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Sep 2 2014, 09:20 PM
FreewayKnight
Sep 2 2014, 09:15 PM
There's one more key word I focused on: Nightmare. It was used twice: To unleash the nightmare all over again, and The nightmare is coming. That's the most important clue right there.
Hmm...nightmare...was Kefka around during this time?
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Phoenix was in a pretty bad spot himself - his investigation was going nowhere and he had a lot of bad attitude pent up. I don't rank him very highly because Bazza's been staying away from Phoenix and Snake plot-wise, and because he doesn't strike me as a prime Practice target.
They were both in the Drac Pack during the season, the same Drac Pack that was defeated by the Mystery Target, so it couldn't have been them

Also, would the wrestler have had to be strong back in season 3/4? I mean Drac was collecting a group to rule VGCW, but his group did have Dan and Vegeta so should this be something we take into account?
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slashkamei
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Guys I just thought of something...what if its Ness?

Think about it, he was turned into a robot before and he DOES have an inner darkness thats canon, he had to defeat it in order to unlock his full powers...granted he wasn't even around during the time so it might not be him.
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Fireball Spam
Sep 3 2014, 08:20 AM
However, Mario has never really done anything in the show that would make him a great choice for mechanization, so it falls apart there.
I would like to point out that the man did beat Scorpion, at the very least! Still, yeah, there's not a ton to work with, but it's not implausible either!
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I feel like I might make it Ness if I were writing it, if only because Earthbound gives us legit claim to say Ness is both the nicest person ever, one of the strongest people ever, and the most likely to explode into a mess of incomprehensible evil after encountering the mindscarring entity that is Giygas.

What I'm saying is, Ness could become a new Giygas.
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NOPE.
Thinking it over, I hope its Gabe, and I hope he ends up as a casualty of war when this season is over. It makes a whole lotta sense for him to be "him" in the context of what Drac was saying, and it would be a damn good way to kill a character off that has meant as much to VGCW as he has. It's not that I hate Gabe and if Bazza wants to keep writing for him as GM I have no issues with that either. But if real people are eventually going to be phased out of VGCW entirely, this would be a good step towards that.
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